re: Let’s talk 2018 Football

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I think his hiring history is almost as impressive as his recruiting history. You think otherwise? 

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I do think otherwise because I just can't passed the Canada and Joseph hirings last year.

That's the kind of stuff that concerns about Orgeron, but we'll see how these guys pan out in the fall.

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I do think otherwise because I just can't passed the Canada and Joseph hirings last year.

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He said he was going to hire the best OC available and did. He realized this time around that doing so may not be the best thing for the program.

Joseph is the replacement for Juluke to appease the New Orleans high school coaches. That is why Jerry Sullivan is also a WR coach. Do you want to lose New Orleans recruits because the coaches are boycotting LSU?

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That's the kind of stuff that concerns about Orgeron, but we'll see how these guys pan out in the fall.

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Okay, but I saw enough in December and February to make it all good for me.

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Well it's obvious that you would only be happy if he had lost all of the games, but he didn't.

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Only "LSU fans" do research of other teams records in order to try and bash the LSU head coach over WINS.

Oh BOO HOO, he won those games but the opponents suck, BOO HOO HOO.

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It's all about putting his wins into context, just as it is about putting losses into context. I'm sure you've brought up Troy's 10 win season several times to try to put that loss into context. Of course, you didn't see anything wrong with it then.

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Here's another one for you to boo hoo about - in the schedules you listed Eaux has four losses. One of those losses was to the #1 team in the country in his fourth game as IHC. Another one of those losses was to the #2 team in the country who became the #1 team when they won the national championship at the end of the season. That's some SAD shite isn't it?

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I don't place blame on Orgeron for those losses, but who were his other 2 SEC losses to? A 9-4 Florida team and a 9-4 Mississippi State team.

In two years, Orgeron has one good win against an SEC opponent (Auburn 2017). The rest of his wins came against SEC opponents with a combined conference record of 22-50

Is it his fault that those teams were terrible? No, but it also puts his wins into perspective.

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The fact that Canada didn't even remotely run the kind of offense that O wanted to run is why I question his evaluation of coaches.

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"Last year, when hiring Lane Kiffin fell through, Alleva and other powerbrokers made it clear to Orgeron that they expected another big name. Enter the Matt Canada fiasco — and that’s not a bad word to use. Basically, once the work became serious, Canada became a problem for virtually everybody in the LSU Ops Building to work with. Dave Aranda, in particular, very much wanted him gone. It wasn’t about philosophy or jet sweeps or motions so much as it was just a basic working relationship and trust.

And while I’m not privy to any specific incidents, there was enough chronicled that LSU threatened to fire Canada for cause in order to reduce the buyout owed to him (with enough of a case that Canada would have likely had to sue to fight it, which he didn’t want to do)."

LSU and Steve Ensminger: How Did We Get Here?

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Canada's offense produced less than Cam Cameron's offense.

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So it was a bad hire from the get go? Is that what you're saying?

There's really no way to spin the Canada situation as anything other than a poor decision on Orgeron's part.

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You can have optimism but here are the reasons most people are concerned:

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in college football their is always reason for concern however:

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HC- We have Ole Miss’s worst coach ever

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He's done well at LSU so far

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OC- We have no idea how he’ll do

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He did a good job as interim OC and I, and most fans, are excited about what he is doing with the offense this off season

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QB- Have no idea what we have

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most fans, other than a few negatards, like the addition of Burrow

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WR: See QB

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Giles, Jefferson, Marshall, Chase, and son on and so forth (it's a long list). Most fans are pumped about the WR's

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RB- Takes a significant step back

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CEH is the real deal, anyone can see that who saw the spring game and his carries last season. May not be a step back at all.

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RT: Hopefully Deculus is ready

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Don't sleep on Magee. He looked good when he was in last season. Also lets not forget about Troare.

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CB: We are Paper thin. We lose Greedy and we’re fuched.

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NOt as thin as people think. We go 3 deep: Greedy, Kirkland, Vincent, Joeseph, Netherly, and Alexander. Plus Paris and Harris can play CB.

When you add in the depth, strength and talent of the DL and LB and Safety position, D will be strong and coached by a good DC in Aranda.

Then with the talent and depth of the OL, along with tons of great talent at WR and TE and H back (Carter was a beast his freshman year), and CEH (who perfectly fits this offense, Curry, Brossette, Provens at RB, and with Burrows at QB running it. Then with Ensminger, who already shown he can call an offense but now bringing in a modern pro style spread west coast type offense that will bring us up to speed with the rest of the football world on offense, the offense will be very exciting to watch for once in a very long time; Most fans aren't worried about the offense either

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So Orgeron simply kowtows to power even if he disagrees with the strategy being implemented?

How is that the mark of a man that's expected to lead LSU back to prominence?

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that's his bosses. If your boss tells you to do something, do you refuse and tell him "I'm a man, I'm not doing what you say"?

Seems like you are in full stretch mode trying to find shite to gripe or argue about.

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Am I crazy for being optimistic this year? I clearly see the brutal schedule we have and all the “expert” predictions. Am I crazy to think that we can have a decent year? I just don’t see us being as bad as everyone is saying.

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We are being discounted simply for our QB situation. I think we can be much better offensively with Burrow now. That could be a pipe dream too. Moo State is picked two spots ahead of us simply because of Nick Fitzgerald so that tells you what the QB position means to preseason picks. Hell, they lost their coach and who knows if Nick fits their new offensive scheme.

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 I even thought it was going to be a good hire 

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Well, then if you thought so ...


Just messing around

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just hired the best guy for the job this time.

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Damn Willie, I've always respected your opinion even if I disagree. But, this statement is a bit over the top even for most loyal of O supporters IMO.