re: Let's revisit Breaux's fair/foul ball in the 9th

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Breaux touched the ball while the ball was in fair territory. It makes the angle of the camera a nonfactor. I keep seeing people post that the ball "was going to land foul".

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What if Breaux touched the ball while part of his body was in fair territory, but the ball was in foul territory? I thought if he touched it when the ball was in foul territory, it was foul (like on a bunt, 3rd baseman still in fair territory, picks up ball in foul territory to end play).

I'm not certain on this, and may be confused. I thought the argument was where was the BALL, when he touched. Not him. Not where would it have landed.

Looks fair in both clips to me. I was fine with the review and the call.

This was a really iffy call, and I'm not too knowledgeable on all the technical rules.

Is the exact rule:
the ball is still fair (inside the lines), when touched?

Irrelevant where the player is, where his feet are, where his glove is, etc?

Or are they attempting to anticipate where the ball would have landed?

Either way, it's pretty tough to get a true look from these camera angles. The camera is not set up right down the line, and once you lose that, you can't 100% trust any perspective other than where his feet were (inside the line). There's an entire industry making good money trying to correct image distortion, as it is affected by the lens. If you think anything is cut and dry, go back and consider any of the images we see in baseball. The lens itself, as well as the point of view, make a lot of false perceptions.

Remember, Breaux's feet were fair, but he was running with a pretty heavy lean. His head and glove may well have been over the line, and only the 3rd base umpire had a true look at that.
And that ball was slicing pretty heavily towards the left, too.

Was that ball slicing? I never saw that. I thought line drive shots sliced. Not sure about blooped shots though

Edited: Not saying it didnt slice. The TV jsut never showed it.

Wish I had actually been at the game.

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He said you need a 3 dimensional picture to see when the ball hit the glove. No, just no.

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No, you're stretching things. What I said was, in the original still shot you referred to, it was impossible to tell if the ball was touching the glove, as you alleged. Because of the 2 dimensional aspect of the picture AND the angle it was taken from.

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Right after it hits the glove:

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So you're telling me with certainty. Absolute. That the ball here is not an inch away from his glove. And you can tell that from that picture?

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And that right there, is a fair ball.

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Impossible to tell from that angle. If you pan the camera around to the left, and line it up straight on the foul line, I'm not positive when he touches it, if the ball itself was in foul territory.

My point was, you saying it's clear is absolutely wrong. Without the camera right on the line, it's impossible to be certain.

The funny thing is, last night I thought it was clearly foul. After looking at everything this morning, I'm leaning toward it was most likely fair.

But anyone saying they are certain from the angles shown, that it's one or the other, is delusional. Or arrogant.

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doesn't matter where the player is...it is determined by the ball only

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Thanks, that's what I thought. (where the ball is when it's first touched, correct?)

Right. Where the ball is first touched.

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he scored anyway...how did we catch a break?

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without knowing what happened next, you prefer him to be on 2nd base as opposed to 3rd, right?

I feel the same way as you.