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Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:42 am to slackster
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MLB starters averaged around 86 pitches per start in 2024, down from 97 pitches in 2010. That’s not health related, it’s statistics.
Is Tommy john surgery being up like 300% not health related either?
What about young pitchers? Are they on pitch counts and workload restrictions because bullpens are that good?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:42 am to Lester Earl
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There will 480 starts made in SEC games this year. How many of them will go 135 pitches if you had to guess?
Irrelevant as it would be a disadvantage for most teams for their starter to attempt to throw 135 pitches.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:45 am to vidtiger23
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Irrelevant as it would be a disadvantage for most teams for their starter to attempt to throw 135 pitches.
Kade Anderson is going to be the only pitcher to be cruising into the 6-7th inning?
Lmao!!!!!
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:48 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:And don’t forget the last pitch he ever threw in a game was 114 mph.
Lester, nolan used to pitch 180 a game. He pitched for 56 years
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:48 am to Lester Earl
I just have to make sure I am understand this; pitchers are only being removed from games because bullpens are that good? Both mlb & SEC?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:54 am to josh336
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He took an unnecessary risk with Anderson 2 weeks ago
What made it unnecessary?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:01 am to moneyg
What made it necessary? He’s a projected 1st rd pick, pitching in nasty weather in an early-season conference game, who had an arm injury coming out of high school.
You say trust the coach yet no other coaches are making decisions like this
You say trust the coach yet no other coaches are making decisions like this
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:03 am to Lester Earl
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You say trust the coach yet no other coaches are making decisions like this
That's a crazy exaggeration. Dave van Horn engaged in some very unique and burdensome usage with Kevin Kopps for example. It happens. One atypical usage is nothing to fixate on to the degree it is being fixated on.
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Kopps threw 118 pitches against NC State in a game last June, just one day after throwing 21 pitches in relief.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:07 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
You are a true gift and asset to this board. Hopefully Chicken will reward you with a t-shirt and hat.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:09 am to therick711
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That's a crazy exaggeration.
It’s definitely not. Tigerdroppings loves to use outliers to prove a point. Note that this is a very low brow way to try and prove a point.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
If you say no other coach is making these types of decisions, how is it low brow to easily refute that?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:13 am to therick711
If 1000 pitching decisions are being made, and 3 of them align with some type of overuse, I’m going to say “no other coaches is making decisions like this”. Sorry I don’t think that qualifies as an exaggeration.
Citing Kevin Kopps would be the exaggerated side. Who, mind you, was a reliever. And I assume being June, was a postseason game.
Citing Kevin Kopps would be the exaggerated side. Who, mind you, was a reliever. And I assume being June, was a postseason game.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
So 139 pitches over two appearances in two days is OK because postseason? Is there a matrix that explains what is OK at what time that we can refer to?
Also, doesn't Kopps being a "reliever" more acutely make the point? The "reliever" threw 118 pitches.
Also, doesn't Kopps being a "reliever" more acutely make the point? The "reliever" threw 118 pitches.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
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There hasn’t been an MLB team use a pitcher for that many pitches in 15yrs.
And MLB pitchers are getting hurt on a regular basis.
Is there any evidence that lower pitch counts are reducing arm or shoulder injuries?
It’s not overuse, it’s throwing too hard
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:20 am to moneyg
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What made it unnecessary?
He is a projected 1st round pick, it wasnt a postseason game, the weather wasnt conducive, and lsu’s bullpen was full and ready to go
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:20 am to doubleb
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Is there any evidence that lower pitch counts are reducing arm or shoulder injuries?
There isn't. We also aren't sure that pitch counts in any given outing are driving the injuries. Correlation does not imply causation.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:21 am to josh336
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it wasnt a postseason game
What is the acceptable pitch count in a postseason game for any given pitcher? Or if easier one specific pitcher?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:22 am to therick711
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So 139 pitches over two appearances in two days is OK because postseason? Is there a matrix that explains what is OK at what time that we can refer to?
If you told me Jay Johnson pushed Anderson to 135 pitches in an elimnation or close out game, I would certainly be more understanding.
Kopps was a 24yr old rubber armed reliever. I am not saying its right or wrong but his situation as a pitcher is certainly not comparable to Kade Anderson.
Just looking at how Van Horn handled Hagen Smith last year:
his top 5 pitch count games:
1. 105
2. 101
3. 100
4. 99
5. 98
The most pitches Smith ever threw in a game was 112 in 3 years at ARK. lol
What do you think was different between Kevin Kopps and Hagen Smith?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 11:25 am to therick711
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What is the acceptable pitch count in a postseason game for any given pitcher? Or if easier one specific pitcher?
You and i both know there isnt any specific answer to that. But there would be a whole lot of factors i would be taking into account in the situation. Including the kids draft future.
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