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re: Les really let the program slide
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:11 am to JohnnyU
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:11 am to JohnnyU
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don't really remember Les getting shredded for 2013.
Then your memory isn’t very good because the 13 OM loss is still constantly brought up to this day as a huge red mark due to OM starting a ton of freshmen.
Never mind that those freshmen were part of the best recruiting class in OM history, were better than the players they replaced, and would have OM ranked in the top 5 much of the year the next season.
Yet those same people will bend over backwards to defend O for losing to a Florida team that was even worse off with injuries than OM was and playing in Tiger Stadium, not on the road like we were against OM.
Then they will backflip back to defending O by shouting about how no team could ever overcome a few players out on the DL against MSU in a 30 point loss or Troy.
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Bama hammered LSU in '13, 38-17.
Player error on the first drive of the game as LSU is walking into the end zone. Totally changed the flow of the game, just like MSU last year. Can’t hold that against the coach, right?
Oh yeah, and LSU was tied 17-17 until the final minute of the third quarter in 13.
O was never within two touchdowns of Alabama after the first quarter last year. So we were “hammered” last year too, right?
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also remember 2015 with the successive weekend losses to Bama (30-16), Arkansas 31-14 and Ole Miss 38-17 as being the definitive symptom that LSU's football future was on the decline. That was following a pedestrian 8-5 2014 season.
I remember that too. Another road loss to Alabama after being 7-0 and ranked #2 sent the whole season spiraling.
Another road loss to an OM team that finished in the top 10 and a 17 point loss to an Arkansas team that went 8-5 (5-3 in SEC, better than MSU who won by 30 last year) was definitely the low point of Miles’ 11 year career in Baton Rouge. And he was practically fired at that point.
Miles was nowhere even close to the hot seat in 2015, and all of a sudden after the only three game losing streak in his tenure he was finished.
So after two seasons of “definitive symptoms” of decline, a coach that averaged over 10 wins a year for over a decade, won multiple West and SEC titles and played for multiple NCs winning one, was actively being ousted by the AD with no warning whatsoever because he lost three in a row.
His replacement then blows a game to an injury riddled team (a la @OM 13) at home and with a Sugar Bowl on the line, then kicks off his first full season in the worst SEC in memory with a month in September that would make Miles’ November 15 look like a playoff run.
I guess Ed O better get it right this year because he is at a year and a half of downright stagnant results at best with two blown golden opportunities for a NY6 Bowl invite in consecutive years.
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The LSU "standard" was sinking with LSU.
What was the LSU “standard” before it stared sinking? What was the “standard” when Miles was fired?
What is it now?
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 8:23 am
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:47 am to Tiger Voodoo
Now that is what I call an apologist!
You can't possibly compare the '13 Ole Miss loss to the '16 Florida loss. Ole Miss gained 525 yards against LSU and was in control of the game. That OM team was 3-5 and 6-6. The '16 UF team was 6-2 and 9-4 and the game was clearly controlled by LSU.
You give an allowance for the first drive fumble vs '13 Bama but don't allow the same for the Guice fumble at the 7 in the 16 game.
You bludgeon O for the Moo U loss last year but Miles had the same type of performance vs Moo U in '14 when only Dan Mullen's stupidity of sitting on a lead gave us a shot. That game wasn't as close as the score indicated.
Regarding the '15 skull dragging streak, LSU was clearly outclassed in each of those match ups.
My point being that you can cherry pick all you want but Miles tenure was in substantial decline.
But stick to your narrative. It serves your purpose.
I didn't agree with the Orgeron hire but I understood it. I did agree with cutting Elmer Fudd loose although it should have happened in '15.
You can't possibly compare the '13 Ole Miss loss to the '16 Florida loss. Ole Miss gained 525 yards against LSU and was in control of the game. That OM team was 3-5 and 6-6. The '16 UF team was 6-2 and 9-4 and the game was clearly controlled by LSU.
You give an allowance for the first drive fumble vs '13 Bama but don't allow the same for the Guice fumble at the 7 in the 16 game.
You bludgeon O for the Moo U loss last year but Miles had the same type of performance vs Moo U in '14 when only Dan Mullen's stupidity of sitting on a lead gave us a shot. That game wasn't as close as the score indicated.
Regarding the '15 skull dragging streak, LSU was clearly outclassed in each of those match ups.
My point being that you can cherry pick all you want but Miles tenure was in substantial decline.
But stick to your narrative. It serves your purpose.
I didn't agree with the Orgeron hire but I understood it. I did agree with cutting Elmer Fudd loose although it should have happened in '15.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:53 am to JohnnyU
That’s 2016 UF team was trash
They were 9-4 because they played in the east and we chocked at home.
Also Ole Miss was 8-5 in 2013 and played in a pretty decent West that’s had 4 teams over 9 wins.
They were 9-4 because they played in the east and we chocked at home.
Also Ole Miss was 8-5 in 2013 and played in a pretty decent West that’s had 4 teams over 9 wins.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:54 am to SammyTiger
quote:not to mention they were down a frick ton of defensive starters against LSU. That game was an abortion
They were 9-4 because they played in the east and we chocked at home.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:03 am to JohnnyU
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You can't possibly compare the '13 Ole Miss loss to the '16 Florida loss
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You bludgeon O for the Moo U loss last year but Miles had the same type of performance vs Moo U in '14 when only Dan Mullen's stupidity of sitting on a lead gave us a shot. That game wasn't as close as the score indicated.
I love how you make these two statements in the same post.
"You can't compare close losses to 9-4 2016 UF and 8-5 2013 Ole Miss but it's totally reasonable to compare a 30 point loss to 9-4 2017 MSU and a 6 point loss to 10-3 2014 MSU!!!!"
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:04 am to JohnnyU
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only Dan Mullen's stupidity of sitting on a lead gave us a shot.
So, do you discount this past year's win vs Auburn the same way?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:08 am to TigerLunatik
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So, do you discount this past year's win vs Auburn the same way?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:26 am to JohnnyU
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You can't possibly compare the '13 Ole Miss loss to the '16 Florida loss. Ole Miss gained 525 yards against LSU and was in control of the game. That OM team was 3-5 and 6-6. The '16 UF team was 6-2 and 9-4 and the game was clearly controlled by LSU.
You miss the point. I only mentioned it because you said Miles didn’t take heat in 13.
I wasn’t trying to excuse the OM loss, unlike the O apologists. That OM loss was bad. No question. It was a game that we should have won and ended up costing us a 10 win season and possible BCS bowl at least.
I’m simply pointing out that the same nonsense excuses we have to listen to from the O apologists were just as easy to make under the previous coach.
Hell, Mett threw three boneheaded interceptions in the end zone, so is that loss solely on him?
Also, you tout Florida’s 6-2 SEC record but ignore MSU’s 4-4 SEC record last year and the fact that LSU was the only ranked team Florida beat ALL SEASON in 16.
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You give an allowance for the first drive fumble vs '13 Bama but don't allow the same for the Guice fumble at the 7 in the 16 game.
Again, no I don’t. I’m saying both excuses are bullshite.
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You bludgeon O for the Moo U loss last year but Miles had the same type of performance vs Moo U in '14
The 14 MSU team was the best in school history and was #1 in the country for two months.
The 16 team was never ranked in the top 15.
Both losses were awful. No question. But the at least the 14 team didn’t roll over and quit and actually made a late run, lucky or not. The 17 team looked like they didn’t even want to finish the game.
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Regarding the '15 skull dragging streak, LSU was clearly outclassed in each of those match ups.
I never said they weren’t.
But all three of those teams were solid SEC teams, one winning the national title, one finishing top 10, and one going 5-3 in the SEC.
Compare that to the MSU, Syracuse, and Troy streak last year and tell me which is more disappointing.
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My point being that you can cherry pick all you want but Miles tenure was in substantial decline.
I never said it wasn’t.
What I disagree with is that we are somehow not in the same state since the coaching change.
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But stick to your narrative. It serves your purpose.
Thanks, seeing as how my purpose is consistency and pointing out bullshiy excuses for the old coach that never would have been accepted under the old one is just that, bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 11:33 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The 14 MSU team was the best in school history and was #1 in the country for two months.
In all fairness 1941 8-1 SEC Champs was probably their best in history.
Also, 1998 They were 8-3 6-2 in the regular season and made it to the SECCG.
I’m mostly joking, just sharing some useless info I just looked up.
ETA: the way they got to being number 1 was beating ranked LSU, A&M and Auburn teams that all finished unranked.
They lost 3 of their last 4 including their bowl game. Only win was to Vandy.
All their loses were to teams that finished ranked.
I wouldn’t say the best in history.
More like over hyped by the media.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:32 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Excellent post Voodoo.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 3:58 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:that was a fraud, pointed out nicely by a later poster.
The 14 MSU team was the best in school history and was #1 in the country for two months.
Just like us in 2015 - rose to no. 2 but didn't play anybody - then got blown out by double-digits 3 weeks in a row, and ended up in the Texas Bowl.
Just play all the games and then decide who's good and who isn't.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:45 pm to atltiger6487
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that was a fraud, pointed out nicely by a later poster.
Just like us in 2015 - rose to no. 2 but didn't play anybody - then got blown out by double-digits 3 weeks in a row, and ended up in the Texas Bowl.
Just play all the games and then decide who's good and who isn't.
Uhh, MSU was really good in 14.
They were first in the CFP rankings for a month, got to 9-0, then dropped a tough 5 point loss to Alabama in the road, and finished 10-2 on the year and still ranked top 10 after another tough loss to another really good team on the road in their rivalry game to Ole Miss where they led in the second half, down by a TD in the 4th and never trailed by more than 14.
It was maybe a bit hyperbolic saying it was their best team ever, although a good argument could certainly be made, but it was easily the best team under Mullen and one of the best teams in the country that year without a doubt.
Certainly better than last year’s team that got their doors blown off by 30 to Auburn and UGA.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 4:45 pm to atltiger6487
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that was a fraud, pointed out nicely by a later poster.
Just like us in 2015 - rose to no. 2 but didn't play anybody - then got blown out by double-digits 3 weeks in a row, and ended up in the Texas Bowl.
None of that really changes the fact that it was one of their best teams ever.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:01 am to earl keese
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This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 3:05 am
Posted on 7/10/18 at 6:13 am to JustLivinTheDream
Look at your list. What players have lived up to their potential yet?
Lawrence will be a beast. But the others haven't proven they are elite yet.
And Arden key was such a disappointment.
Lawrence will be a beast. But the others haven't proven they are elite yet.
And Arden key was such a disappointment.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 6:23 am to JustLivinTheDream
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because I know a lot of people are sort of down on him because of his last year at LSU.
He left the program early and had basically one full season that he gave a shite.
Why does he not get an asterisk?
Also missed guys like Martin, recruited by Ed as dline coach, ended up transferring.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 6:32 am
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:46 pm to Stephen1979
Miles Record since 2012:
63-25 = The Hat's Overall Record, (71.6%)
31-22 = The Hat's SEC regular season record, (58.5%)
19-17 = The Hat's record against SEC West opponents, (52.8%)
3-3 = The Hat's Bowl record
0 = Number of times LSU finished the season ranked in the Top 5
1 = Number of times LSU finished the season ranked in the Top 10
0 = Number of SEC West titles
1-6 = Record against Alabama
3-5 = record against Arkansas
17-17 = The Hat's record against Top 25 teams
15-16 = The Hat's record against Top 20 teams
8-16 = The Hat's record against Top 15 teams
4-12 = The Hat's record against Top 10 teams
2-9 = The Hat's record against Top 5 teams
0-4 = The Hat's record against #1 ranked teams
We do not accept mediocrity around here. We have standards.
Courtesy of Speedy
63-25 = The Hat's Overall Record, (71.6%)
31-22 = The Hat's SEC regular season record, (58.5%)
19-17 = The Hat's record against SEC West opponents, (52.8%)
3-3 = The Hat's Bowl record
0 = Number of times LSU finished the season ranked in the Top 5
1 = Number of times LSU finished the season ranked in the Top 10
0 = Number of SEC West titles
1-6 = Record against Alabama
3-5 = record against Arkansas
17-17 = The Hat's record against Top 25 teams
15-16 = The Hat's record against Top 20 teams
8-16 = The Hat's record against Top 15 teams
4-12 = The Hat's record against Top 10 teams
2-9 = The Hat's record against Top 5 teams
0-4 = The Hat's record against #1 ranked teams
We do not accept mediocrity around here. We have standards.
Courtesy of Speedy
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:54 pm to Tiger1988
2013 Les Miles record Minus the cupcakes 7-3
2015 Les Miles record Minus the cupcakes 5-2
2015 Les Miles record Minus the cupcakes 5-2
Posted on 7/11/18 at 2:57 pm to Stephen1979
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Those are just a few of the issues a lot of us have with Eaux. Then you throw in the worst lost to Msu ever (a mediocre team btw) and a home loss to a 23 point underdog during we got our shite pushed in and maybe you can understand why some are not seauxld on Eaux
Nick Saban / LSU / UAB
LINK
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 3:03 pm to Oneforthemoney
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Nick Saban / LSU / UAB
O Inherited a much better team then nick saban did. It's not even close. 
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