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SHMILL
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re: Les really let the program slide
Les Miles football was fuggin awful to watch.

It was like watching someone play a video game and only had 2 plays to choose from...and they gained 3.4 yards per run.

It’s unbelievable how some of y’all can’t agree that Miles was a flippin moron (clock mgmt for one) with the absolute best horses in the stable. Having that alone won him 8 games a year.

Then he started getting lazy on recruiting, guys not working out and 400 corners and wrs. No oline or dline which takes a couple of years to show up.

I wasn’t thrilled at the O hire but my God he pulled a qb (yes I know he hasn’t throw a pass for us yet) and has recruited very well COVERING ALL ASPECTS needed ESPECIALLY oline and dline, which is very uplifting bc football minds know that games are won in the trenches. Fact.

I think it’s aggravating reading some of these posts hating on O bc y’all say “give me 10 wins, recruit a top 5 class, etc and THEN I’ll be on board”....well damn that’s chicken shite.

If it was Tom Herman or Jimbo and he lost to Troy (which who gives a shite really, a loss is a loss, they don’t put an asterisk next to it bc it was Troy just sayin), would u still be fence-standing waiting for him to do well THEN jump on the wagon? Y’all accuse this Pensacola dude of wanting it both ways but in actuality, you’re kind of doing the same.

For the record, because of the recruiting on the oline and dline (Ima huge proponent of lineman with nasty streaks), coupled with the hopefulness of us having a normal, Saturday football game plan and not just pounding the rock time and time again (yes yes even though we finally would break one and score = shite was hard to watch and there’s no hope for u if u don’t recognize this in the slightest; it sets u up for disaster when u run into a D that won’t break, ala Alabama or top tier opponents = we didn’t win any of those in the end with Miles and that gameplan = fact), will give us 9-10 wins this year.

9-10 wins with this schedule would be awesome. This schedule is DAUNTING. But we have talent and it seems we have all the bases covered, time will tell.


Lonnie4LSU
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re: Les really let the program slide
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I'll take a 17-14, 13-10 or 10-0 victory every day of the week.


4 yrs period 2012-2015 LSU averaged 32 pts. a game.
5 other west teams, Ga., and Fla. combined averaged 33 a game.

Scoring didn't seem like some kind glaring problem.

2016 and 2017 LSU averaged 28 pts. a game.



Mayhawman
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re: Les really let the program slide
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Les Miles football was fuggin awful to watch.
Check the Records section in the Media Guide and be enlightened. Miles has 4/5 LSU top scoring offenses all time (TDs by rush and pass).
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9-10 wins with this schedule would be awesome. This schedule is DAUNTING.

Preseason SOS is #13 according to Steele and except for the 2017 #36 powder puff (by recent standards), easiest since 2008, if still holds true in January.


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Mayhawman
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re: Les really let the program slide
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2016 and 2017 LSU averaged 28 pts. a game.
The "wildly improved" Slinger called offense was 32ppg (8 games) compared to 32.8ppg of 2015 led by UNC great (LOL) B. Harris.
Miles had 10 of his 11 "terrible", "difficult to watch", "prehistoric", offenses outscore Orgeron's 2017 attempt at it.
This post was edited on 7/12 at 1:31 am


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earl keese
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A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
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re: Les really let the program slide
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9-10 wins with this schedule would be awesome.


There ya go. 9-10 wins (some would be happy with 8) by o is perfectly acceptable. Awesome according to you. But i suppose I understand this way of thinking. Afterall, o has never won more than 9 games in a single season.

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This schedule is DAUNTING.


Toughest ever! LSU has never had to play a hard schedule in the history of the program, much less "DAUNTING!"


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earl keese
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re: Les really let the program slide
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4 yrs period 2012-2015 LSU averaged 32 pts. a game.


I knew it was somewhere around 30 per game, but it really doesn't matter to some of the knuckleheads on the rant. They didn't like the offense Miles ran while he was here and even though LSU won at a .770 clip, they got bored and have to complain about something.

But boy oh boy, they sure like to brag about the dazzling offensive output (even though it's less than most of Miles offenses) o and Slinger put out.

And then there's the guys that say we beat the Troy loss to death, but still countinue to whine about the 2011 NC game loss.



SportTiger1
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SHMILL

And you are precisely the reason we have a coach like O and pending mediocrity. Not les miles 9-10 win mediocrity, REAL mediocrity.

Thanks for that


SportTiger1
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Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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re: Les really let the program slide
People dont realize, Les' 'boring' offense is a big part of what won him so many games. Low risk, few turnovers, is not flashy, but it keeps you in almost every game.

He usually had a very good TOP, which is part of how you get too 10 defenses.

Think outside of the vacuum.


JohnnyU
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Florida
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People dont realize, Les' 'boring' offense is a big part of what won him so many games. Low risk, few turnovers, is not flashy, but it keeps you in almost every game.



Quite to the contrary, I think most folks know that was Miles' philosophy. It doesn't make it any less unimaginative or enjoyable. Miles wasn't competing for championships with it any more either.


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JohnnyU
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Florida
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re: Les really let the program slide
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I knew it was somewhere around 30 per game, but it really doesn't matter to some of the knuckleheads on the rant. They didn't like the offense Miles ran while he was here and even though LSU won at a .770 clip, they got bored and have to complain about something.


We weren't winning at a .770 clip in Miles final years and were no where close to that in SEC competition (.620) in Miles final 4 full seasons.
Fans and supporters complaints were valid. The program had grown stale. We weren't competing for championships again under Miles.
Orgeron was an underwhelming hire but Miles' time was past.


Dave England
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2013
4676 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
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Les Miles football was fuggin awful to watch.


Yeah almost losing to Troy is fuggin awful compared to actually losing to them.

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It was like watching someone play a video game and only had 2 plays to choose from...and they gained 3.4 yards per run.


You do realize that several of the records the wonder boys O and E broke in 2016, were records set in 2015?

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Then he started getting lazy on recruiting


His 2014, 2015 and 2016 classes were all ranked higher than O’s first two classes.

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I wasn’t thrilled at the O hire but my God he pulled a qb (yes I know he hasn’t throw a pass for us yet) and has recruited very well COVERING ALL ASPECTS needed


Except whiffing on RB in 2017, and CB and QB this year, the whole reason he had to pursue grad transfers.

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I think it’s aggravating reading some of these posts hating on O bc y’all say “give me 10 wins, recruit a top 5 class, etc and THEN I’ll be on board”....well damn that’s chicken shite.


People wanted to fire Miles after losing to Tennessee in 2005.

All he did in response was go out and win the west in year 1. No biggie.

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If it was Tom Herman or Jimbo and he lost to Troy (which who gives a shite really, a loss is a loss, they don’t put an asterisk next to it bc it was Troy just sayin)


1) they would not have lost
2) no need to put an asterisk, no one is forgetting that L anytime soon

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coupled with the hopefulness of us having a normal, Saturday football game plan


meddling Ed: “I will let the coaches coach and I will not meddle in the offense”

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This schedule is DAUNTING.


*literally* the toughest schedule ever put together in the history of college football. If O can finish the season .500 I will be petitioning for a raise, an extension, and a statue next to Mike.


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mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
573 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
Yep. Chavis had a lot to do with the defensive decline. “Third and Chavis” as the Tennessee fans knew him probably cost us two Bama game wins in Tiger Stadium. Any way glad he is gone.

For the Alleva haters. The beginning of the end for Miles was the Chavis contract clause. Bama and others used that against us in recruiting. Very poorly managed by our AD.


Dave England
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2013
4676 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
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We weren't winning at a .770 clip in Miles final years and were no where close to that in SEC competition (.620) in Miles final 4 full seasons.


::ESPN 30 for 30 voice::

What if I told you only 2 teams in the SEC won at a better clip over those 4 years?


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Dave England
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2013
4676 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
Chavis cost LSU 0 wins against Bama.

Miles choked in 2012 and opted not to go for it when he should have

Offense choked in 2014 when the DEFENSE you want to blame got a strip sack of Yeldon inside Bamas 10 and the offense went backward


Philippines4LSU
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re: Les really let the program slide
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Offense choked in 2014 when the DEFENSE you want to blame got a strip sack of Yeldon inside Bamas 10 and the offense got Shawed (as in Steve Shaw).


FIFY


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LSUStar
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Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
3439 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
That may be, but he just could have been stupid in that regard.


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LSUStar
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Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
3439 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
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Miles was a mistake hire? Wtf? I hope that's a typo or something.


No. No typo. Did you watch the games? Notice how many he lost due to idiocy? Clock management comes to mind. Given the players that went to the NFL when he was here, it is a disgrace what he 'accomplished' especially on offense. He was a HUGE mistake. No question.



LSUStar
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Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
3439 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
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If you're being serious about Miles being a mistake hire, then you ain't got the sense God gave a goose. No question about it.



Insults are always a compelling argument.

Thank you.


Mr. Misanthrope
LSU Fan
Bayou Legume
Member since Nov 2012
1770 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
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Like, what’s your thoughts on Orgeron and what is you prediction for the season?

I think he's renewed his Faith and gotten on top of his personal demons and the distractions that come with them. As much as anyone here, he loves LSU.

I hope he will let his OC "pitch" his way out of trouble without interference. He should because I believe he's provided his DC the talent to win a low offensive output game until the team has two or three games under their belt and the new offense finds its stride.

I could see an emotional season of 10-2 with regular season losses to
Georgia and Texas A&M, a win over Georgia in the SECCG and a trip to the playoffs.


Dave England
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2013
4676 posts

re: Les really let the program slide
Well, in this case, yeah.

Miles went 37-6 in his first 3 seasons , with a division title , sugar bowl win, sec championship and national title.

Anyone who says that was a bad hire should probably be lobotomized


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