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re: Les Miles spoke in my sports journalism class today

Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:28 am to
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:28 am to
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Jarret Lee has more passing yard vs Bama his freshman year than JJ did in 8 quarters of play his senior year.



Yeah let’s use Lee’s freshman year as proof that he should have been used on 1/9 against perhaps the most dominating defensive performance in CFB history

13/34 1 TD (yay!!) 4 INTS 1 pick six (doh!!)

But those 181 yards though


Let me try to put this in terms you can understand:


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Jarret Lee has twice as many interceptions vs Bama in his seven attempts in the GOTC against that 2011 defense than JJ did in 57 pass attempts in his entire career against Alabama.



That’s right, the infamous pitch pick gif was the first time in his career that JJ turned the ball over against Nick Saban’s defense in four games against Alabama (he fumbled later in the fourth quarter on the second to last drive of the game on 4th and 18 when he was destroyed in the backfield AGAIN).

And that pick happened over halfway through the 3rd quarter when we were already down 12-0 and Alabama’s defense was feasting on our OL unlike anything seen in CFB before or since.


Miles believed that TM and the DST could flip field position to give the offense breathing room the way it had in every single one of the 13 games we had played and won that season, including the previous game against Alabama.

Other than a fourth quarter drive that started on the 35 when we were already down 15-0, LSU’s best field position of the night came on the very first drive when we started at the 28 after the opening kickoff.

There was simply never a time when Alabama couldn’t pin their antlers back and unleash the hounds against our OL.


But honestly what other hope did Miles have? We all know the limitations of both of those QBs, how could either of them truly threaten that all time Alabama defense?

Everyone talks about how much Saban changed his gameplan after the GOTC, but he really didn’t. The biggest difference in this game was McCarron was completing the passes that he couldn’t didn’t in the first game (he threw 28 passes in GOTC vs 34 in The Rematch), and Alabama made FGs instead of missing them.

They were 1/4 in first half FG attempts on 11/5, including missing their first three, vs 3/4 in the first half on 1/9, including making their first two.


That last second FG before halftime on 1/9 was the backbreaker. With less than two minutes to play, LSU was down 6-0 (we had been down 3-0 at halftime in GOTC).

But that drive with 1:29 to go in the half decided the game imo. With 29 seconds left, Alabama was at their own 35 yard line on 2nd and 12. Get a stop there and who knows how the second half plays out.

But AJ dropped the beautiful rainbow over TMs fingertips for a 20 yard gain, the longest of the night, and that set up the FG as time expired to go up 9-0.

On the first two plays of the second half, they ran almost they exact same play, a 19 yard completion, and then the 26 yard dagger of a completion and they were in range for the FG that put them up 12-0 and the game was over.

We punted with under two minutes to play in the first half down 6-0, and the next time we touched the ball it was 12-0 in the third quarter and the game had gone from manageable to what felt like out of reach due to Alabama’s defense.


I know many people like to proclaim how they’ve NEVER WATCHED THAT ABORTION OF A GAME EVER AGAIN!!!! Yet also like to talk about it as if they know what happened, but as someone who has watched both of those games multiple times (glutton for punishment I know), both teams went in with the same game plans both games, one just went better for Saban the second time.

Oh, and Alabama played a better game everywhere but kicker and punter on 11/5 as well btw. The bottom line is Alabama was a better team in 2011 than LSU was, though they weren’t that night due to our defense and Wing, and getting a win in Tuscaloosa against that team should have gone down as the greatest win in LSU history.

But because of the bullshite Rematch the glory of that win, and that incredible team, will never be appreciated for what it was.



TLDR GFY
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 7:19 am
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:30 am to
Holy frick, a thread about Les speaking at a class has devolved into this.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:40 am to
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It's sad that we are in 2018 and you dumbasses are still bitching about that game
yea, but we still talk about Ole Miss '59, Ole Miss '72, USC '79, FSU '82, Florida '97, Earthquake Game, Bluegrass Miracle, Oklahoma '03, Florida '07, Ohio State '07, Game of the Century, etc.

If we can talk about the good ones, we can talk about the bad ones.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:41 am to
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He tourched Bama the year before in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.



Oh FFS.


I’m not breaking down that game like I just did for 1/9, but this is a ridiculous myth that should die.

He threw one good pass for a first down when JJ had already led LSU to the lead with under three minutes to play that RR turned into a huge gain with a run after the catch.

That drive ended in a punt with 18 seconds to go.


He didn’t “torch” Alabama, and his performance on 11/5 was much more relevant to any decision to play or not play him on 1/9 anyway.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:42 am to
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Holy frick, a thread about Les speaking at a class has devolved into this.



Oh yeah, legit CSB OP!!


As someone who’s heard him speak in person many times, he is always awesome.


The Hat
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 6:43 am
Posted by omegaman66
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 6:52 am to
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Sounds like he delivered a quality speech


Yes, but was it high quality or low quality??? Les never distinguishes which!
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 7:03 am to
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(he fumbled later in the fourth quarter on the second to last drive of the game on 4th and 18 when he was destroyed in the backfield AGAIN).


Got killed in 09 too. Should have been a penalty when he got speared into the ground. They would have fined the dudes in the NFL for that.

JJ was a warrior despite the fricks that hate on the dude. It's not his fault he was our best option at the time.

Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 7:05 am to
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He threw one good pass for a first down when JJ had already led LSU to the lead with under three minutes to play that RR turned into a huge gain with a run after the catch.


Yeap, JJ accounted for the lead and Randle basically ran all over the feild to kill clock in Lee's one fricking pass. Same for the UF game people use. JJ got us the lead in that one too.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 7:19 am to
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Same for the UF game people use. JJ got us the lead in that one too.

WHAT.

Lee threw two TD passes in 2010 against Florida. Both of them were at the end of a half and both gave LSU the lead.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 7:45 am to
Lee gets deserved praise for UF, especially the game winning drive and TD throw which was outstanding.

But JJ was an integral piece of that win as well. He threw the ball well and also ran for two TDs.

That was a great game all around.


UT the week before is actually the game that I would say Lee won for us. He wasn’t as pretty as he was against UF, but we lose that game if Lee doesn’t step in and steady the ship no doubt.

Aside from his 70 yard TD run on the first play, JJ really couldn’t do shite that day.


From the OM game in 09 to the UT game in 2010, I’d say that was the darkest point in Miles’ tenure before the three game slide in ‘15.


He lost a good number of fans in that time period he never won back, not even after the stellar run that started the next week with the win over Meyer in the Swamp all the way to 1/9.
Posted by bnb9433
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 7:53 am to
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He’d do well as an AD.


I’ve always said this. His relationships seem to leave an impact on everyone. IMO coaches would love love to work for him
Posted by Spotswoode
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 8:02 am to
This explanation is picture perfect. Nothing else need ever be written about this game. This would have made you one of my favorite posters, but you were elevated to #1 by this:

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TLDR GFY
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 8:03 am to
People like to harp that Les was too loyal and he was but he always made the decision to get rid of coaches if they continued to fail. Cam was in his 4th year when he and Les were fired, his first year LSU had a good offense, you don't fire someone after 1 or 2 years of below average offense when they've been unstable at QB. LSU fans would fire coaches the first sign of adversity and people did bitch about Aranda after a few bad games. Les made the change with Crowton after his 4th year and 3rd consecutive down year at LSU after he set LSU records his first year as the OC, I'm 100% a change would have been made again had Les lasted the season.

Now I agree 100% Les had become predictable and it was time to make a change after that season. I do not like the way it went down and wish Les all the best because he has represented the University proudly and he could be bitter but he still embraces and loves LSU.
Posted by STEVED00
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 8:07 am to
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Did he say why he didn't put Mett in?
to start the year


FIFY
Posted by rrboy
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 8:15 am to
Awesome!
Posted by iamandykeim
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 9:11 am to
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Why didn't you start a thread when Ryan Clark spoke.. Was he not cool enough?

RC was hilarious and awesome. he said his aspiration is to be the next LSU AD which I thought was really cool, but I didn’t feel like people would enjoy that as much as Les
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 9:20 am to
That one would have received nothing but praise, Les causes mixed emotions as people really just fricking hate the man
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 10:08 am to
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quote:
Did he say why he didn't put Mett in?
to start the year


FIFY
Because JJ/JL RAT =138/152, Mett 2012 RAT= 128
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
9335 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 10:42 am to
I can answer this, because Lee had thrown 7 ints in 3 games against Bama, including back to back just 2 months before.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
5746 posts
Posted on 9/8/18 at 10:58 am to
I believe his reception would be outstand from all lsu fans. I never really liked him as a HC. I also never met him personally but he seems like such a genuine guy and everyone loves him.
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