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re: Les Miles should be inducted into La sports HOF before Nick Saban.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:54 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:54 pm to Cowboyfan89
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He still had to coach those teams. They still had to perform at the level that they did to win those games.
And it's not like Les' first year was without external circumstances that made coaching difficult.
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:58 pm to KC Tiger
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:21 pm to The Shed
quote:lol im really speechless on this one.
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Im sure what i really want to say has been said 100 times already
Ok, needless bump....really priceless
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:42 pm to The Shed
Msb
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:42 pm to The Shed
The Shed? As in Cheryl’s She shed?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:11 pm to The Shed
Nick built, Les benefited
Next question
Next question
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:53 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:yes
Saban built the LSU football program as you now know it.
quote:No. Way overboard with that. Kansas is a perennial loser.
Call me when Les turns the Jayhawks around. That’s about how irrelevant LSU football was when Saban arrived.
LSU is an all-time top 15 team. I don't know too much about before the 50's, other than Y A Tittle played here, and we had some nice teams.
But definitely from the 50's on (as the SEC took form), LSU has been consistently contending. Won the SEC in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's.
Exposure- today it's social media, before it was ESPN, and before that it was radio. Regulations were different for broadcast back then, and 870 was a clear channel that reached over half the country at night. LSU was one of the few college teams you could hear play, instead of just read about in the paper.
LSU in the 90's was like Tennessee now... you think it's all over, but the program woke back up. And Saban didn't start that, Dinardo did. Saban completed the recovery.
And it still wasn't where it is now; Saban's 2003 team was the most challenged and disrespected title winner in modern times (outside of BYU). LSU was good, but 2003 was considered a fluke, especially after 2004. We were expected to contend for the SEC, not the national title.
Miles was the coach who took the team the next step, with 2005-2007 cementing LSU as not just good, but a perennial Top 5 program. He then made several more runs that kept us there when the media wanted to dismiss us.
Saban is a great coach, but if you are talking LSU only, he's behind Miles. You don't get into the Louisiana HOF by winning titles at Alabama. Bear's not in our HOF.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:58 pm to slackster
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Miles is the more accomplished coach at LSU. That doesn't mean he was the better coach.
No he’s not. Taking over a championship program that is in better shape than any other program in the country, and winning one national championship in the next 11 years is nowhere near the accomplishment that taking over a middling program and winning one national championship in four years is.
I like Miles better than Saban, but Saban accomplished more at LSU than Miles has in his entire career.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 8:59 pm to The Shed
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Tell me why I'm wrong.
He's beginning work on his candidacy for the Kansas Hall of Fame before he retires. Credentials aren't as taxing.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:00 pm to The Shed
No
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:01 pm to The Shed
By the down votes I would say yeah
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:02 pm to The Shed
Because Les never coached Bama, and everyone in this state is obsessed with Bama.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:16 pm to Scoob
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LSU in the 90's was like Tennessee now... you think it's all over, but the program woke back up. And Saban didn't start that, Dinardo did
I was with you on this. Still not 1:1 because Tennessee was more like present-day LSU in the 90s. They lived in the top 5, which is why 2011 really felt like LSU turned a corner.
Also was with you on '03 team being seen as a fluke, but who cares what perception was -- they won the NCG. I'd rather that than something like '11 when you have a team everyone expected to win but blew it because of atrocious scheme on one side of the ball.
And even if they hadn't won in '03... the guy took a program that had been losing badly for a straight decade and won an SEC title in his SECOND year lol.
All that was worth arguing, but where you lost me was with this:
quote:
You don't get into the Louisiana HOF by winning titles at Alabama. Bear's not in our HOF.
That summarizes our entire fanbase's bias toward Saban, and I understand why -- but it's irrelevant.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:20 pm to BananaHammock
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BananaHammock
oh look it's the football ignorant dumbass that hates the most accomplished coach ever at a program he says he pulls for.
everytime he sees miles' accomplishments, it puts a mark on his soul.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:31 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Rickdaddy4188
Saban >>>>> Miles and not a soul on this planet besides you would debate that.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:32 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Where you lost me was with this:quote:
You don't get into the Louisiana HOF by winning titles at Alabama. Bear's not in our HOF.
That summarizes our entire fanbase's bias toward Saban, and I understand why -- but it's irrelevant.
No, I'm clarifying things- Saban was a very good and structured coach, who was going 9-3 at LSU, with 1 breakthrough season in 2003. He followed that with... 9-3.
Remember, 2001 was 8-3 with a big upset in Atlanta over #2 Tennessee, and then a Sugar (when playing in the Superdome was big) against a fluke Illinois team: SEC speed vs great scheduling.
The BCS title is enough to get him into the HOF, it's a no-brainer when you only have 3. But if you leave the Alabama resume out, nobody has any reason to elevate him above Miles.
Look at Miami- you could say Schnellenburger built that program. He won the first title with Kosar.
Jimmy Johnson made them into the U; and nobody says he won with Schnellenburger's talent.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:54 pm to Penrod
quote:What the hell are you talking about? LSU was NOT in better shape than any other program, when Saban left.quote:
Miles is the more accomplished coach at LSU. That doesn't mean he was the better coach.
No he’s not. Taking over a championship program that is in better shape than any other program in the country
2004 he went 9-3. He lost to Tuberville at Auburn, got blown out by Richt at Georgia. And btw lost to an underdog Iowa team in a bowl that was a letdown by defending national champ standards (LSU had one of the worst post-champ seasons in recent times, at the time).
At that point, Saban had built a team that would have a winning record and make a bowl, and could play with Auburn and Georgia (the powers of the conference), but wasn't above them.
USC out west was building a monster under Carroll. Tressel had Ohio State firmly established. Miami was still scary.
It was under Les that LSU went on the rampage, with Top 5 teams, and blowout bowl wins over name opponents. Les kicked the shite out of Miami, Notre Dame and Ohio State in consecutive bowls, and suddenly LSU wasn't "scrappy" anymore, they became the King. LSU and Florida were the driving forces behind the SEC elevating above the rest of college football.
Alabama has taken that spot over now, but the SEC was already established when they did.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 9:58 pm to slackster
quote:
Miles is the more accomplished coach at LSU.
Maybe vs. Saban but Hal Hunter (Interim Head Coach after DiNardo got fired) had a 100% winning record.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:03 pm to The Shed
quote:
Tell me why I'm wrong.
Because you can’t be inducted twice cum brain.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:12 pm to GRTiger
If you can't understand the difference between taking over a team that sucks and a team that is 1 season removed from a NC loaded with talent than idk what to tell you.
Les is a good coach. He still coached those teams.
Sabah built a program
Les is a good coach. He still coached those teams.
Sabah built a program
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