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Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:37 pm to The Mick
HOF considerations? Does it really matter? Les Miles and HOF are miles apart, regardless. What a joke.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 4:41 pm to Nico Tuscani
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Maybe Kansas will vacate is losses
If I told you in 2014 that Les Miles would eventually be forced to litigate his way into the College Football Hall of Fame because he somehow ended up coaching football at Kansas...each and every one of you would have believed me.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 5:05 pm to Salviati
The amount of bashing that Miles gets still is absolutely mind boggling. The dude maintained the program after Saban resurrected it for years. There were absolutely mind boggling decisions and moments during his tenure but the fact remains that we were still a national power and brand with him at the helm.
Go ask Tennessee, USC, Florida, and Michigan how easy it is to maintain constant high level success for 10+ years.
Go ask Tennessee, USC, Florida, and Michigan how easy it is to maintain constant high level success for 10+ years.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:07 pm to The Mick
Why couldn’t he get those wins at Kansas?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:13 pm to da prophet
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That’s what pisses people off, LSU has been bending over backwards to appease the NCAA. Why? In today’s college sports world with NIL and the portal the NCAA is a total joke and has no power.
Weak leadership
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:50 pm to Akit1
quote:Who gives a shite about Les? Too bad he doesn’t get everything he wants. LSU paid him millions and owes him nothing. If they want to do it for LSU because it’s right for the university then that’s fine. Otherwise screw Les and his feelings.
Give him the wins back. I mean they vacated the 10-7 win against Ole Miss when his mom died. I get it - no one puts any value into “vacated wins”, but I’m sure that pisses him off.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:53 pm to The Mick
Miles is a creep so I can care less if he has a good outcome or not.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:46 pm to ChatGPT of LA
quote:Oooooo. So tough.
No shite clown.
quote:You're wrong, dumbfrick. Burrow did not come here because of Orgeron. He came to LSU because of Bill Busch. He absolutely would have come here with Miles. Between LSU and Cincinnati, where the frick do you think he was he going to go?
Thanks for proving my point. That offense doesn't happen with Miles here. Borrow doesn't come In his Heisman speech, he focused on how instrumental O was in him coming to LSU...making a point to let the world know why he was at LSU and stayed.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:57 pm to Jebadeb
quote:Yes, because the IARP was a negotiated settlement between LSU and the NCAA. Read pages 1 and 2 of Appendix One to the IARP.
For those buying into the lawsuit, here are some points from the IARP ruling that is conveninetly left out if not mischarecterized by the Complaint:
2. The IARP Required LSU to vacate wins.
quote:It's like when a criminal defendant pleads guilty. The judgment REQUIRES the defendant to serve the punishment which the defendant agreed to serve.
LSU has imposed the following penalties and corrective actions based on the acknowledged
violations in the notice of allegations:
Vacate all wins from the 2012-16 football seasons in which an ineligible football studentathlete participated.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:37 pm to Salviati
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Burrow fell into Ed O's lap.
That’s somewhere between false and barely arguable.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:49 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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To be fair, KU has some hotties that seem to like coaches. Ask Larry Eustachy about it.
Hell, ask Larry Brown about it.
Ew.
And also Glen Mason.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 8:57 pm to Salviati
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You're wrong, dumbfrick. Burrow did not come here because of Orgeron. He came to LSU because of Bill Busch. He absolutely would have come here with Miles.
You fricking sod.
It was a two way process. Burrow was quite impressed with everything he saw from O (and Ensminger). LSU was far from (re)established at that point but JB was SOLD.
JB also wasn’t a sure thing but O and company knew enough to like what they saw.
So you’re doubly wrong and a dumbass.
quote:
The weekend in Baton Rouge—the food, the film study and, even more so, the lure of playing time—“turned the tide” in his transfer recruitment, Orgeron said. Burrow arrived for his visit after a one-day trip to Cincinnati, the only other team Burrow requested to speak with and the one many considered the favorite, Orgeron among them.
I can’t even comprehend you Miles sacksuckers after all this time.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:02 pm to The Mick
If Mike Leach can't get into the Hall of Fame, Les Miles shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:21 pm to Salviati
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Yes, because the IARP was a negotiated settlement between LSU and the NCAA. Read pages 1 and 2 of Appendix One to the IARP.
Did you notice how the first 22 penalties start with the word “affirmatively” and the last 3 do not?
quote:
affirmatively
adverb
1. in a way that expresses approval or agreement.
"they asked him whether he would like the job and he replied affirmatively"
Once the IARP concluded that Vadal Alexander received impermissible benefits and was ineligible, by rule LSU had to vacate the wins. There was no choice.
Page 107 makes clear that the “vacation of team and individual records” fell under penalties prescribed by the hearing panel. They were not self-imposed.
LSU had to acknowledge/accept the penalties in the end, because the IARP decisions were binding.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:27 pm to The Mick
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This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:32 pm to Havoc
quote:It's somewhere between 99.9% true and 100% true.quote:That’s somewhere between false and barely arguable.
Burrow fell into Ed O's lap.
Burrow was making a choice between Cincinnati and LSU. The choice there is obvious. But the thing that made the choice crystal clear was Bill Busch. Orgeron had zero to do with the choice made by Burrow. Yes, Orgeron pursued Burrow, and yes Burrow thanked Orgeron in his Heisman speech. However, the same thing would have happened regardless of who was the head coach at LSU. Whomever that head coach was would have pursued Burrow, and Burrow would have thanked that head coach in his Heisman speech. Miles was an Ohio guy. The Burrow family were Ohio people. Burrow would have absolutely 100% have come to LSU if Miles was head coach.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:34 pm to Salviati
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Ensminger knew how to use Burrow
there is no way anyone that watched the 2018 season honestly believes this.
Ensminger knew he didn’t know, so he brought in someone who did.
but nobody on the 2018 staff knew how to run anything remotely resembling 2019.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 9:37 pm to paulb52
quote:
Les Miles and HOF are miles apart
go look at the list of guys that are already in, then come back and say this with a straight face.
Miles had his issues that deservedly got him fired.
but if Paul freaking Johnson gets in with his resume, and John Cooper (Ohio State’s version of Miles without the Natty), and Frank Solich can all get in, the. Les is a Hall of Famer too.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:37 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:Coaches don't know just one scheme and that's the scheme they run. There are always issues about whether a particular scheme fits your personnel, whether you believe the scheme will be most effective for your team, and whether the scheme is the most comfortable for you to coach.
there is no way anyone that watched the 2018 season honestly believes this.
Ensminger knew he didn’t know, so he brought in someone who did.
but nobody on the 2018 staff knew how to run anything remotely resembling 2019.
Most coaches know things about nearly every scheme that exists. The offense that LSU ran in 2019 was not a state secret, but every offense has nuances, and every offense has to respond to different defensive looks and responses.
Coaches are constantly learning. Some coaches know some schemes better than other coaches. Leach knew air raid, Johnson knew the flexbone, Kelly knew zone read, etc. That doesn't mean those coaches can't run other schemes, nor does it mean that other coaches can't run those schemes. It's just that some coaches are better at the schemes they use.
Ensminger knew what he wanted to run for 2019, but he also knew that he was not an expert in that scheme. He knew there were details about the offense he wanted to run, such as specific responses to defensive looks, that he needed to learn.
Ensminger started doing more research, and he learned that Brady was a source of that information. Ensminger consulted with Brady about the details of the offense and decided that Brady knew the offense so well that Ensminger talked Orgeron in to hiring Brady. LSU hired the consultant.
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