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re: Kelly deciding on Daniels in the portal
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:06 am to Bayou nights
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:06 am to Bayou nights
He's not a good QB evaluator. I don't know how anymore obvious this can be. Look at his history of QBs. Lots of busts, lots of average QBs. I don't think he had a single great QB at ND. His best was Ian Book and he was an above-average QB that I'm not sure would've been as successful in the SEC. This is something LSU fans need to realize and get use to it. Better hope he has a great QB coach because you ain't getting it from BK.
Does any of this sound familiar?
He's not exactly a QB whisperer or evaluator so it doesn't really give me much optimism he's going to get it right here. The red flags on BK are rampant right now but LSU fans are refusing to see them.
Does any of this sound familiar?
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2010 — The Square Peg and the Round Hole
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What Happened: Notre Dame began 4-5 running a pass-first offense under Crist, one that made Kelly famous at Cincinnati. It finished 4-0 when forced to focus on the running game with Rees at the helm. How that approach wasn’t obvious by the end of Spring Ball 2010 and through August Training Camp, I’ll never understand.
He's not exactly a QB whisperer or evaluator so it doesn't really give me much optimism he's going to get it right here. The red flags on BK are rampant right now but LSU fans are refusing to see them.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:10 am to Bayou nights
Hard to be a reliable passer when he's being pressured every play.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:16 am to deuce985
Yeah I would have thought since the WR group was supposedly the strength of this team he would want somebody that was more of a passer than a runner. Maybe he did and just couldn’t get one to come here and thought Daniels was the best option left. I’m sure he thought he could help him improve his passing ability but it just hasn’t happened yet.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:19 am to Bayou nights
He didn't have a lot of options tbh when he got here so he gets a pass on Daniels. That said, if you dig into his history he has a checkered past of bad QB evaluations, mismanagement, stubborn, and just in general overall mediocre QB play. Not as bad as Les Miles but very close when you consider ND didn't play competition LSU does each week. Just pointing out don't be surprised if LSU struggles with QB development while he's here.
I was worried initially on BK's hire his ND negatives will pop up but then I started gaining optimism. Now that I've seen the results on Saturday it's very hard to look past his coaching flaws so I've been looking at his time at ND and all those negatives are front and center right now for this LSU team. Not giving me optimism we can win anything with this guy at the helm. I'm not even sure he's that much better than what this board considers a retard in Les Miles. If LSU fans would look at his time at ND and do a little research some of you would probably be getting worried.
I was worried initially on BK's hire his ND negatives will pop up but then I started gaining optimism. Now that I've seen the results on Saturday it's very hard to look past his coaching flaws so I've been looking at his time at ND and all those negatives are front and center right now for this LSU team. Not giving me optimism we can win anything with this guy at the helm. I'm not even sure he's that much better than what this board considers a retard in Les Miles. If LSU fans would look at his time at ND and do a little research some of you would probably be getting worried.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 10:22 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:20 am to jvargas
Your right, the protection could be better but he’s not pressured on “every” play. He’s had opportunities to make some plays down field but just hasn’t.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:22 am to deuce985
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The red flags on BK are rampant right now but LSU fans are refusing to see them.
I’m not concerned. I know you will be vigilant and keep us informed.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:24 am to Bayou nights
He completely blew that imo. Daniels is 100% playing out of position. He is not a QB in the SEC or any top flight P5 program. It is what it is. Be prepared for more blowouts in which the offense is completely befuddled. I do not see Nuss getting any reps unless Daniels is injured. BK is looking more and more like LM so far as offense is concerned. I guess if he wins 1 natty, many will say it was worth it.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:24 am to deuce985
I agree, I hope when the time comes Howard will be able to reach his full potential under coach Kelly.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:27 am to Bayou nights
The only optimism I see with him is he has changed things several times. It's just that you're going to suffer through blatant stubborn decisions until it's well past the prime in everyone realizing it doesn't work. Only then does he decide to change things. As long as he's willing to adapt and admit when it's not working to change it, we'll be okay, imo.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:34 am to Damone
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and he wasn't a good fit for the new systems being implemented.
I'm glad you agree on this! Fact is our OC & Head Coach have to have the right players to make the offense work and either don't have the capability or aren't willing to fit the scheme to the current players so they forced Daniels and Mason Taylor on use while our 5 star receivers block.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:37 am to jvargas
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Hard to be a reliable passer when he's being pressured every play.
Don't you get it? The QB should be a world beater despite being behind a subpar patchwork OL with a non-existent running game and unreliable WRs.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:39 am to Damone
This is not really true though. There's many drop backs where Daniels has ALL day to throw with WIDE open WRs and he still doesn't hit them.
There's a such thing as yes, a bad QB can make your OL look worse than it actually is. This line isn't good but to put it all on them is unfair.
There's a such thing as yes, a bad QB can make your OL look worse than it actually is. This line isn't good but to put it all on them is unfair.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:41 am to Bayou nights
If you don't have a dual threat QB, you don't have a RB, I mean QB
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:51 am to kengel2
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You act as if we had a loaded QB room when we all watched our QBs struggle mightily for two years. You couldn’t see we needed help?
So we got Daniels instead of some of the more polished qbs in the portal?
The following list is taken from player timelines on 247 Sports:
by the time that Jayden Daniels entered the portal on 2/17/22 committed 3/6/22 all of the following QBs were already committed to a new team:
Caleb Williams entered 1/3/22 committed 2/1/22
Ewers entered 12/3/21 committed 12/12/21
Dart entered 1/10/22 committed 1/29/22
Rattler entered 11/29/21 committed 12/13/21
Cam Ward entered 12/10/21 committed 1/10/22
Gabriel entered 11/27/21 committed 1/3/22 to OU after committing to UCLA on 12/16/21
Max Johnson entered 12/8/21 committed 12/17/21
Slovis entered 12/15/21 committed 12/21/21
Bazelak entered 12/12/21 committed 1/5/22
Martinez entered 12/2/21 committed 12/16/21
Casey Thompson entered 12/17/21 committed 1/7/22
Plumlee entered 1/4/22 committed 1/9/22
Calzada entered 12/13/21 committted 1/6/22
de Laura entered 1/7/22 committed 1/10/22
Bo Nix entered 12/13/21 committed 12/19/21
Grant Wells entered 1/3/22 committed 1/6/22
Zach Gibson entered 11/29/21 committed 1/7/22
Penix entered 12/5/21 committed 12/14/21
QBs in portal when Jayden entered same and committed to LSU
JT Daniels entered 1/19/21 committed 4/13/22
Bohannon entered 1/27/22 committed 5/8/22
Not much of a choice... Jayden Daniels or Garry Bohannon or JT Daniels. Of that trio who are you going to take?
2022 JT Daniels Stats
2022 Garry Bohannon Stats
2022 Jayden Daniels Stats
ETA: Myles Brennan is not even listed on the 2022 247Sports transfer portal link.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:53 am to jmon
quote:But Daniels isn't a pocket passer but that is what they keep trying to make him. Brennan was an experienced pocket passer but we run him off? This excuse that Kelly keeps making that we can't play our best players because they don't fit the scheme for a game or the season is just disaster. I wish someone would pay me 10 million to make so many bad decisions.
he wasn't a good fit for the new systems being implemented.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 10:58 am to Tom Bronco
We don't know what happened with Brennan though. You can look at his old film when he started and nobody here is going to convince me even with our bad Oline that's not a massive upgrade over what we have now. Even under pressure he was ripping some passes.
However, when you consider this is not a creative scheme like we had for 3 years under O and also, we don't know what limitations Brennan had after multiple injuries, you don't really know the situation there. It's entirely possible he just regressed and wouldn't flourish here. It's not like Bk's scheme puts every player in the best position to flourish. I think that's obvious at this point. It lacks any kind of creativity at all and is conservative.
However, when you consider this is not a creative scheme like we had for 3 years under O and also, we don't know what limitations Brennan had after multiple injuries, you don't really know the situation there. It's entirely possible he just regressed and wouldn't flourish here. It's not like Bk's scheme puts every player in the best position to flourish. I think that's obvious at this point. It lacks any kind of creativity at all and is conservative.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:06 am to Bayou nights
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Does anyone know why exactly he wanted Daniels?
Because The Rant wanted him...
Seriously though, Daniels upside is off the chart if he could master the passing game. I can see that but at this point I am not a believer. His flaws appear to be mental and not fixable in a short term.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:15 am to lsu711
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BK projected Myles’ heart wasn’t in it and the OL would be a work in progress. He understood the situation very quickly.
I think it was the other way around. Myles realized no matter what he did, Kelly was set on JD, so he bailed.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:17 am to deuce985
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He's not a good QB evaluator. I don't know how anymore obvious this can be. Look at his history of QBs. Lots of busts, lots of average QBs. I don't think he had a single great QB at ND. His best was Ian Book and he was an above-average QB that I'm not sure would've been as successful in the SEC. This is something LSU fans need to realize and get use to it. Better hope he has a great QB coach because you ain't getting it from BK.
This is such bullshite. What is THE one group that’s been hardest to recruit to Notre Dame the last 30 years—skill position players. Stud QBs want to throw to stud skill guys and Notre Dame—due to academic standards and the fact that most skill position stars come from the south and don’t particularly want to go from there to nowhere’sville lndiana—is less attractive to top tier QBs. Notre Dame wasn’t recruiting stud QBs way before Kelly got there. The last highly ranked QB who decided to go there was Ron Powlus and that was 30+ years and 5-6 HC ago.
And just because he didn’t land them doesn’t mean he wasn’t recruiting them. Stud QBs also want to win NCs, and the prevailing narrative is that Notre Dame can’t compete for NCs in the modern football world—they haven’t since Holtz in the late 80s. Until Kelly magically got them into the NC game against Bama where they were further exposed as not really being serious contenders. Hard to get those stud QBs from California to go to Indiana to throw to average WRs when they can stay home and go to USC or, if they’re going cross country, going to Bama or Oklahoma, or Florida, Ohio State, wherever.
The bottom line is that who Kelly got to Notre Dame is not a reflection on his QB evaluation abilities. I’m sure he recruited all the highly ranked guys, just didn’t land em. You can criticize him for that if you want and it may be fair, but just because he wound up with average guys does not logically assume he didn’t want better ones.
By the way, Walker Howard’s 2nd choice after LSU—was Notre Dame and Kelly.
And he’s got a stud 5-star from California in the ‘24 class visiting Baton Rouge on an official visit, I think. He’s not recruiting Ian Book to LSU. Because he can attract better guys here.
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He's not exactly a QB whisperer or evaluator so it doesn't really give me much optimism he's going to get it right here.
You’re being intellectually dishonest if you can’t tell he’s recruiting a different kind of player at LSU than he did at Notre Dame. Because he can.
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The red flags on BK are rampant right now but LSU fans are refusing to see them.
I don’t think there’s a sufficient sample size to see “rampant red flags” yet unless you’re just looking for them. It’s certainly fair to not be convinced he’s gonna make all the necessary changes he needs to. But I think he’s very self-aware and wouldn’t have come here to go 9-3 every year. He wants to win and win big, but it’s yet to see if he has the ability Saban did to adjust to modern CFB. He may not. But it’s way to early to conclude that. His 1st goal was to build his culture and he hired guys he was familiar with that he knew could help instill that culture he’s looking to build. But I think Denbrock and some other guys were bridge guys to help lay the foundation, and they will be replaced when he feels like it’s time. It will be interesting to see what staff changes he makes after the season. I think Hankton is gone after this year. Maybe Brad Davis. Maybe even Denbrock, but I think he gives him at least one more year.
You are looking at a 6-game, short sample size. Kelly is looking to build a decade long championship program. Winning a bunch of games year 1 with all the things stacked against him is just so short-sighted.
Kelly might not be the savior a lot of us convinced ourselves he was. And there are definitely concerning things we’ve seen so far. But the thing that makes me confident is that he’s an area of any alpha with a
big ego, and he’s not gonna be satisfied with not winning and winning big, and I think he will make the proper adjustments as he gets a better lay of the landscape and figures out what they need to be. To have already made up your mind halfway into his 1st season 1 way it the other is beyond stupid.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:18 am to jwp475
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BS, into 2021 Max Johnson threw for 2815 yards 27 TD and 6 INTs. JD will not do that well this year and he is a 4th year starter.
How sad is it that 6 games into the season, we'd be wishing we had Max starting under center
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