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Just how much of a one-off was 2019?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:44 pm
I'm listening to Whiskey and Wine from Saturday night and I've watched a bunch of clips from the game.
We lost Brady, Aranda, and a shite ton of NFL guys (including the GOAT QB).. did they really mask that much last year? I know we lost Munoz as well.
That's a rhetorical question. They apparently did. After watching what we did Saturday night and listening to Moscona and Jordy break it down, this is like a damn pee wee football operation. Clock management, burning timeouts when the clock is stopped.. it's an absolute mess.
I guess I didn't realize just how much last year was a one-off until I saw this year. Even guys like Ja'Marr and Shelvin wouldn't have made this team look decent. It starts from the top.
How do we have two head coaches in a row that can't master simple clock management? That seems like it should be a pre-requisite to being a P5 football coach.
ETA: A classic one-liner from Jordy on the show. "DeVonte Smith just drops his nuts on your face all night. All night!"
We lost Brady, Aranda, and a shite ton of NFL guys (including the GOAT QB).. did they really mask that much last year? I know we lost Munoz as well.
That's a rhetorical question. They apparently did. After watching what we did Saturday night and listening to Moscona and Jordy break it down, this is like a damn pee wee football operation. Clock management, burning timeouts when the clock is stopped.. it's an absolute mess.
I guess I didn't realize just how much last year was a one-off until I saw this year. Even guys like Ja'Marr and Shelvin wouldn't have made this team look decent. It starts from the top.
How do we have two head coaches in a row that can't master simple clock management? That seems like it should be a pre-requisite to being a P5 football coach.
ETA: A classic one-liner from Jordy on the show. "DeVonte Smith just drops his nuts on your face all night. All night!"
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 3:47 pm
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:47 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Well we’ve won two others in recent memory. So not exactly a one off. Not a dynasty by any means, but not one off either
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:48 pm to themasterpater
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Well we’ve one two others in recent memory
I don't think you got his point at all.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:49 pm to themasterpater
quote:I think the OP was referring to O, not to the program over the past 20 years.
Well we’ve won two others in recent memory. So not exactly a one off
And I'm afraid we'll find out that 2019 was a Burrow-Brady aberration, again with respect to O.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:49 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Most likely this year and last year are outliers. Colin Cowherd (I know he is hated here) always says “take out your best year and your worst year and that’s what you are”, so take out this year and last year, and you get the 2017-18 years. 9-4, 10-3.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:55 pm to sweetwaterbilly
I don’t think that question can be fully answered until we see the 2021 tigers play.
We will the see if they are closer to the 2017/2020 teams or if they are more in line with the 2018/2019 tigers.
I say 2018 is a good year because the team took a step forward that year, I realize that 2018 is a far cry from the 2019 showing.
Prior to the start of this season, I think all would agree that the program appeared to be on an upward slope culminating in the perfect season. Was it O falling arse backwards into Burrow and Brady that made the progress look purposeful or did O really have his finger on the pulse?
Fast forward to today and many would say that it’s much more likely that O’s success was mostly due to the dumb luck of signing a generational talent at QB and hiring one of the brightest offensive minds in football by (again) being lucky that he taught them a class on RPOs.
Next year will be the real measure of which season is the outlier, 2019 or 2020?
If I were a betting man, I’d say 2019 is the outlier but we can’t say for certain until we see if/how much we improve in 2021.
We will the see if they are closer to the 2017/2020 teams or if they are more in line with the 2018/2019 tigers.
I say 2018 is a good year because the team took a step forward that year, I realize that 2018 is a far cry from the 2019 showing.
Prior to the start of this season, I think all would agree that the program appeared to be on an upward slope culminating in the perfect season. Was it O falling arse backwards into Burrow and Brady that made the progress look purposeful or did O really have his finger on the pulse?
Fast forward to today and many would say that it’s much more likely that O’s success was mostly due to the dumb luck of signing a generational talent at QB and hiring one of the brightest offensive minds in football by (again) being lucky that he taught them a class on RPOs.
Next year will be the real measure of which season is the outlier, 2019 or 2020?
If I were a betting man, I’d say 2019 is the outlier but we can’t say for certain until we see if/how much we improve in 2021.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 3:59 pm to sweetwaterbilly
To have THAT dominant a team is probably a "one off". To put together another team capable of winning a national championship isn't.
While last season was a perfect combination of motivation, talent and experience. This was perfect combination in the other direction of hubris, LACK of motivation and inexperience.
Ed thought 2019 proved he had the Midas touch and that ANY hire he made would just come in and implement his dynasty dream (particularly changing Aranda's "passive defense he hated). After last year's remarkable season everyone knew it would be impossible to duplicate. That probably led to a lack of motivation by the team, increased exponentially by the panicdemic essentially leaving the players to their own devices. Then, essentially all of your core left (either to the NFL or "opting out") leaving LSU with in many respects an entirely new team.
2019 was the dream season come true. 2020 was the kick in the arse telling you seasons like 2019 don't "just happen." Now we are left to see how the program reacts.
While last season was a perfect combination of motivation, talent and experience. This was perfect combination in the other direction of hubris, LACK of motivation and inexperience.
Ed thought 2019 proved he had the Midas touch and that ANY hire he made would just come in and implement his dynasty dream (particularly changing Aranda's "passive defense he hated). After last year's remarkable season everyone knew it would be impossible to duplicate. That probably led to a lack of motivation by the team, increased exponentially by the panicdemic essentially leaving the players to their own devices. Then, essentially all of your core left (either to the NFL or "opting out") leaving LSU with in many respects an entirely new team.
2019 was the dream season come true. 2020 was the kick in the arse telling you seasons like 2019 don't "just happen." Now we are left to see how the program reacts.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:03 pm to sweetwaterbilly
We lost everything that made 2019 what it was.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:09 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Outside of last year, Ed O is a 66.7% win coach at LSU, which means an average of an 8-4 record. This includes historic loses to Troy, Moo St, Auburn, and Alabama.
For Ed O, 2019 was lightning striking him in the balls 3 times exactly as a co-ed finishes off a hummer. Last year was Ed O's lottery ticket and will never happen again.
For Ed O, 2019 was lightning striking him in the balls 3 times exactly as a co-ed finishes off a hummer. Last year was Ed O's lottery ticket and will never happen again.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:13 pm to RoaringTiger33
But it’s unfair to take out his best year and not his worst, especially when just as much as the stars aligned for us last year, things aligned equally against us last year. What is he taking out the best and the worst?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:15 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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Just how much of a one-off was 2019?
The blind squirrel found a nut
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:21 pm to OchoDedos
GOAT season is a fair trade for the current state of the program.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:24 pm to sweetwaterbilly
If I'm being honest, what we're seeing this year is the kind of performance I expected out of O when he was hired. I guess only time will tell if 2019 was an aberration. But I suspect we won't sniff another SEC or National championship while O is at the helm.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:30 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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We lost Brady, Aranda, and a shite ton of NFL guys (including the GOAT QB).. did they really mask that much last year? I know we lost Munoz as well.
They didn’t mask anything.
They were basically our entire team.
It’s like removing someones mask and being like “it was a skull all along”
Look at every one of our elite team: 03, the 05-07 teams the 2011 team. All built on elite classes maturing at the right time.
If we close out this year strong on the recruiting trail, we’ll have 3 top 5 recruiting classes with a 4th one on the way. Well have another window.
I dont Love our coaches but the talent is too green.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:33 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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I guess I didn't realize just how much last year was a one-off until I saw this year.
I would argue that this season is just as much of a one off as last year.
It took a perfect storm of events/people to make last year happen, and it’s a shite storm making this happen.
I don’t mean this as a defense of O.
I never felt that O was going to take us to the bottom of the SEC the way he did at Ole Miss. I felt we’d become as mediocre as LSU can become, fluttering between 7-5 and 9-3 a year with an outlier 10 or 6 win season here or there, which was actually a worst case scenario because he would likely hang around for 4-5 years when that’s exactly what we got rid of Miles for doing.
Next year we’ll probably go 8-4 maybe even 9-3 depending on how the SEC shapes up and we’ll hear look we’re getting back on track for another couple of years until the plug is finally pulled.
The Burrow NC was a great stamp on this era, but ultimately O’s tenure will wrap up no differently than Miles’ did.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/7/20 at 4:53 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Orgeron built a championship team over two seasons starting with retaining Aranda and signing an elite QB in Joe Burrow. Then he brings in Joe Brady and puts it all together.
But to build a championship program, he has to recruit and build depth to sustain player turnover to the draft and coaching turnover to promotions.
So far he’s failed miserably at championship program building with this season’s coaching hire of Pelini and the recruiting classes of 2017 and 2018 leaving this roster to be filled with subpar SEC talent and a leadership void.
But to build a championship program, he has to recruit and build depth to sustain player turnover to the draft and coaching turnover to promotions.
So far he’s failed miserably at championship program building with this season’s coaching hire of Pelini and the recruiting classes of 2017 and 2018 leaving this roster to be filled with subpar SEC talent and a leadership void.
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