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re: Josh Pate isn't as high on Jayden Daniels for the LSU football starting QB job as some

Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:43 pm to
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 10:43 pm to
If you listen to the clip, he didn't really say anything negative about Daniels. He said decision-making and accuracy would be the main factors for who will win the job and basically seemed to say if you're one of the QBs who has already been at LSU, then you have an edge there (which I don't totally disagree with).
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:34 pm to
So you're shitting on one of the 60% QBs or saying that all QBs have accuracy issues?
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 12:32 am to
You guys are so hung up on what these guys did in the past and it means almost nothing.

All that matters is what they bring to the table right now. New system, new coaches, in a lot of cases, new players. And they’re all older.

Past accuracy numbers mean very little. Even the spring game means very little. It’s fine discussing it because it’s all WE have seen, just know it doesn’t mean much considering the circumstances.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 1:34 am to
Nuss, 50.9% completion percentage. Same double standard applies.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 1:47 am
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 5:30 am to
My biggest issue with a QB that can run is that they often cant make it thru their progressions. They rely too heavily on their speed to make plays.

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:25 am to
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So you're shitting on one of the 60% QBs or saying that all QBs have accuracy issues


No, I’m saying him being “accurate” would not be reason to start him. It’s a bogus claim
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:41 am to
So at worst, we have seen nothing that says one is more accurate than the other, correct?
Posted by FightingTigers138
In your thoughts
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:53 am to
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So, what we’re really saying is that MB, on campus since 2017, can’t separate himself from two guys who have played in a grand total of four games for LSU. My only take away from that is that the other two guys must have played damn good or MB must have been so-so.


2/10
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:54 am to
Its situational to me. All of them could probably knock a beer can off of your head at 30 yards, but what good does that do when a player's pressure default is to scramble? Thats my concern with Nuss and Daniels; they will always be throwing off platform. At least with Brennan, you have a player that keeps his feet under him, slides, climbs, and stays in the pocket. On the flip side, none of that works if the line doesnt give him time, and he isnt a run threat at all so how much of your playbook doesnt get used if he's in there?

My gut says Nuss should be the guy simply because he can kinda do it all, but I'd feel a ton more comfortable if we had 1 or 2 tune up games. He threw a few wtf passes in the Spring game that should have been intercepted.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:55 am to
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My biggest issue with a QB that can run is that they often cant make it thru their progressions. They rely too heavily on their speed to make plays.


That is a reasonable thought. But the flip side with with an immobile QB any bit of pressure often times ends the play. The brilliance of Burrow was not what he did when the pocket was clean. It's what he did when it wasn't. LSU's OL wasn't great that season (despite what awards may say). Burrow made a ton of greats on his own. A QB that can move gives you a better chance to make a play when things don't go as planned (poor protection; WR not winning routes early, etc).

For me, the big question is was the Brennan we saw vs. Missouri the QB he is now? Or was that an anomaly? Despite good numbers in the first two games of 2020, Brennan wasn't all that great. But vs. Mizzou he was a playmaker. He was getting out of the pocket a bit to make plays and really had some great throws in that game. It looked like he was getting comfortable as the starting QB...then he wouldn't play again for (going on) two years.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43829 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 8:55 am to
MB hasnt played football in 2 years. I was just happy to see him show up somewhat in shape and play fairly well.
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:11 am to
I think BK didn’t know what to think about the QB situation so he brought Daniels over in case Myles or Nuss decide to hit the portal. After the spring game, I still don’t think he knows who the starter will be but he’d like it to be Myles because he has a gun and takes care of the ball.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:13 am to
Riveting football insider insight... wow.
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
36395 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:16 am to
Yeah I don’t think comparing accuracy is even necessary. They both have zip.

It’s decision making. That’s going to be up to Kelly to see how he wants his QB to think.

There are other factors as well obviously. But its not just one thing. All factors will come into play. We don’t know what weighs more with Kelly yet.

There’s also factors like leadership involved that we can’t weigh. Only coaches can. It’s going to be who he believes will win him the most games.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 9:20 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:20 am to
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Thats my concern with Nuss and Daniels; they will always be throwing off platform. At least with Brennan, you have a player that keeps his feet under him, slides, climbs, and stays in the pocket.


Read the room though, pocket passers are dying off with each season, as a new crop of off-platform guys emerge every draft season.

Brennan does not even rate past average in terms of pocket awareness.

Big plays are being created the other way now. Nuss definitely creates better throwing opportunities with his legs.

Daniel’s running ability is his X factor. Not just in regarding to passing, but to designing a whole offense around
Posted by ExpoTiger
Member since Jul 2014
7025 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:22 am to
I don’t know who’s going to start but Daniels will definitely play. Especially if our Oline struggles.
Posted by KC_LSUFAN
Kansas City
Member since Jun 2017
617 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:37 am to
Jayden
100% will be LSU's starter against FSU on Sept 4th

Things that weren't shown in Spring that make a difference
Basically we saw it, a couple of times
HIS LEGGGGGSSSSS

What we didn't see was, what happens after he gets loose, is DB & LB & Lineman, then have to change their D, to keep him in CONTAINMENT, they can't OVERPLAY WR's

When this happens LSU's NFL Wide Receivers & TE, will find themselves WIDE OPEN SPACE areas, as it's going to happen...

HIS LEGS WILL BREAK TEAMS INTO LITTLE PIECES, PERIOD....

THE DUDE IS FAST!!!!!
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:44 am to
Well, it's not really shocking. He didn't look that great in spring game and the big runs are hard to really gauge when you can't lay a QB out.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36626 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 9:51 am to
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So at worst, we have seen nothing that says one is more accurate than the other, correct?
In the Spring game Daniels looked the least accurate. But obviously it was a small sample size.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43829 posts
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:10 am to
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Read the room though, pocket passers are dying off with each season, as a new crop of off-platform guys emerge every draft season.


I get what you are saying, but kinda disagree. I think the trend is mobility, not necessarily guys who feel pressure, immediately flee the pocket, and throw on the run. Mahomes is a unicorn, and even he is better from the pocket. Thats something he has admitted and worked on after Tampa goaded him to throwing more off platform in the SB and it worked. You still see the vast majority of pass play designs for pocket passing. I doubt many OCs like seeing a qb roll out when all he had to do is keep his eyes down field and climb a step or two. The top nfl qbs are athletes who are passers first. Good off platform passing is gravy.

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Brennan does not even rate past average in terms of pocket awareness.


Better than he gets credit for. He isnt Burrow, but he inst Mettenberger either. His sacks per PA in 2020 was very similar to Burrows from 2019 - behind a much shittier O-line, and IIRC he had impressive pff scoring against the blitz in 2020. He moves well in the pocket. Does that make him the answer? I dont know. He hasnt played football in forever so I doubt it.

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Big plays are being created the other way now. Nuss definitely creates better throwing opportunities with his legs.
Yes, and he gambles a lot. He could have easily had a pick6 in the Spring game and a second sideline pbu that could have been intercepted by a better db. You start Nuss and you will have to deal with some growing pains. That said, I still think given some seasoning he's likely the best guy.

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Daniel’s running ability is his X factor. Not just in regarding to passing, but to designing a whole offense around
His speed leaps off the page to me. I just need to see more of the scheme they've created for him to be convinced. When he had elite receivers at ASU, he looked pretty damned good to me. He'll have that at LSU.
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