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re: Joel Klatt : "Freeman took the job Kelly ran from and elevated it past where he had it"
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:29 pm to John Casey
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:29 pm to John Casey
The irony of this thread is that the same people chastising Freeman and ND for their weak schedule are patting Kelly on the back for succeeding when he had that same schedule.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:49 pm to The Baker
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Without NIL, Freeman would be completely lost.
This is the part everyone is missing. Kelly may be guilty of bad timing, but it’s apples and oranges comparing his record pre-NIL to Freeman’s post-NIL. It’s just not the same landscape anymore. ND has the alumni base to compete in this new environment that wasn’t available to them before.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:15 pm to Tactical Syrup
In all fairness to Kelly he inherited a roster with 38 scholarship players.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:29 pm to Tactical Syrup
LSU in 2022 and ND in 2022 are not comparable. When Kelly took LSU over, he had garbage to work with. Freeman took over a team that almost made the 4 team playoff in 2022. Huge difference.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:47 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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The irony of this thread is that the same people chastising Freeman and ND for their weak schedule are patting Kelly on the back for succeeding when he had that same schedule
The irony of this thread is that the same people patting Freeman on the back for ND and their success this season are chastising Kelly for his better success at ND.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:49 pm to Irish Knuckles
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uga was a sugar bowl win and may have been better off w/o beck. clemson absolutely rolled Notre Dame in the acc championship game with lawrence playing. they beat them with dju playing qb earlier that season.
winning the sugar bowl/playoff/ny6 against sec champ uga > clemson during the regular season.
Wut?
By what metric was Georgia better off without Beck?
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:53 pm to Howyouluhdat
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It’s really simple if you just watch the games and how LSU vs ND play. In the 3 years under Kelly LSU has looked undisciplined,outcoached, and just downright lazy in a handful of important games every year which dates back to ND. I’m just not confident in him leading a team to a Championship. Just haven’t seen it in big games. Outside of a couple of years @ ND Kelly’s teams always underperform
Meanwhile Notre Dame has lost to multiple G5 teams, they literally lost a game to Ohio State because they only had ten men on the field.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:15 pm to The Baker
Agreed they were blowing through coaches before BK. NIL has helped Notre Dame. They played it right. And it has watered down the dominant teams.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:33 pm to LSBoosie
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You have to account for all of it. You can't just say that the regular season is harder and ignore the playoff games. For example, in the BCS era, Notre Dame could go 12-0 against a weak schedule and be in the national championship game. This year Notre Dame could have gone 12-0 then have to win 3 straight games against top 12 teams just to get to the national championship game.
It’s fair to say 2012 ND may not have made the title game in a 12-team playoff, but it’s equally fair to say ND wouldn’t have made it to the semifinals this year in a 4-team playoff. Which brings us back to the point that Freeman hasn’t achieved anything Kelly didn’t achieve under the same set of rules. Kelly finished in the Top 4 of the BCS/CFP rankings on 3 occasions. Freeman has yet to do so. Anything else is just guessing how their respective teams would have performed in the postseason under a different system.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:03 pm to Tactical Syrup
Joel Clit
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:07 pm to Superfluous Tiger
ND and PSU are both overrated. The Texas tOSU game will become the champ.
BK is building here, and it will pay off soon.
BK is building here, and it will pay off soon.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:18 pm to Tactical Syrup
These dudes are choking their chicken so hard over what Freeman had done at ND this year and trying to rub it in Kelly’s face so bad because he left their heaven on earth to come to LSU.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Meanwhile Notre Dame has lost to multiple G5 teams, they literally lost a game to Ohio State because they only had ten men on the field.
I’m not sure what any of this has to do with Brian Kelly
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:49 pm to Howyouluhdat
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I’m not sure what any of this has to do with Brian Kelly
Was replying to this sentence in particular:
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It’s really simple if you just watch the games and how LSU vs ND play.
Everyone is jacking off over Notre Dame because they beat Indiana and Georgia, but they've also looked pretty bad at times under Freeman, despite him taking over a team that was losing 1 or 2 games a year.
There's a portion of this board that likes to prepare the high points of other coaches to the low points of ours, for some reason.
At the end of the day, BK is doing okay and has the second highest winning percentage of any coach in this conference at their current school.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:17 pm to Superfluous Tiger
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ND will lose to Penn State
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