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Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:31 pm to Hiyoka
quote:
J LEE may not be great, but he is 20x's the qb JJ
Utterly delusional.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:34 pm to BT
quote:
once again,, this has nothing to do with JL.
But its human nature to direct attention away from the real problem... so I get waht you are trying to do
No, the problem was with the quote. That is why this thread was made. I pointed out that Lee had a similar stat line and was praised. Why does JJ get bashed for a similar performance? Because the defense didn't come to play for this game?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:36 pm to ZTiger87
quote:
No, the problem was with the quote. That is why this thread was made. I pointed out that Lee had a similar stat line and was praised. Why does JJ get bashed for a similar performance? Because the defense didn't come to play for this game?
I doubt Lee is the QB for this team, but to say that JJ is much better is f'kin delusional. Nothing he has done warrants that kind of statement.
The future of LSU lies in a QB and an OC who are not on campus yet.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I think we should all be asking how Jefferson regressed so badly...
He managed to cut his sacks in more than half (34/16) but yet in 106 less attempts he throws 2 more interceptions, three times less touchdowns, and a completion percentage a little over 50%.
Lee may not be great or all world but given the same opportunity I have no doubt he could put up similar or better numbers. Yes I know Jefferson can do things with his feet, however he needed to do things with his arm.
He managed to cut his sacks in more than half (34/16) but yet in 106 less attempts he throws 2 more interceptions, three times less touchdowns, and a completion percentage a little over 50%.
Lee may not be great or all world but given the same opportunity I have no doubt he could put up similar or better numbers. Yes I know Jefferson can do things with his feet, however he needed to do things with his arm.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:38 pm to VOR
thank God he can only play one more year. and if i were a betting person, i would be willing to freeze up $1000 that jj is our starting qb next year, assuming miles is stll here, regardless of who the OC is.he would start if we could sign john elway, drew brees, and payton manning. it is what it is. you think any recruuits see this , and understand what it means about playing time ? little did i realize jj played well yesterday. just how good could we have been with a qb ?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:51 pm to Hiyoka
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John Gruden, Guz Malzahn, name your offensive genius couldn't make JJ good.
In fact they would be smart/strong enough to put him on the bench and play/find a real qb. JJ is just not very good...nothing personal, just the truth.
/thread
Posted on 11/28/10 at 1:57 pm to VOR
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Utterly delusional.
Agreed
But I'd rather see lee start over him at this point
Posted on 11/28/10 at 2:59 pm to TheDoc
Great thread. I'm not trying to be a yes-man here, but every post has good points. The problem is that the blame can't be placed on just one source;
JJ can't think fast enough on his feet and doesn't feel the pressure of the pocket collapsing quickly enough to extract himself. Otherwise he has good passing skills, can run, and is not afraid to take a hit.
The O line is schizophrenic. They shined against Alabama and sucked yesterday. They don't give either QB enough time.
Crowton's job is to recognize these weaknesses and (1) put in a scheme that neutralizes them and (2) coach the players to maximize their ability to execute. Has he done this? Not rolling JJ out more yesterday tends to make me think not.
Bottom line: JJ isn't adequate, Crowton hasn't done his job. Next season if we have Mett and a sharp new OC these problems are solved.
JJ can't think fast enough on his feet and doesn't feel the pressure of the pocket collapsing quickly enough to extract himself. Otherwise he has good passing skills, can run, and is not afraid to take a hit.
The O line is schizophrenic. They shined against Alabama and sucked yesterday. They don't give either QB enough time.
Crowton's job is to recognize these weaknesses and (1) put in a scheme that neutralizes them and (2) coach the players to maximize their ability to execute. Has he done this? Not rolling JJ out more yesterday tends to make me think not.
Bottom line: JJ isn't adequate, Crowton hasn't done his job. Next season if we have Mett and a sharp new OC these problems are solved.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:01 pm to TheDoc
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But I'd rather see lee start over him at this point
I really don't think it would matter. JJ isn't better, haven't seen enough of Lee to make a decision but would guess that he isn't either.
Both are situational QB's presently. Unfortunately, the staff is giving a situational QB too much of the work load and he cannot handle it.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:06 pm to VOR
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JJ isn't the player his backers think he is. He is not a starting SEC quarterback and would not be one under the best of circumstances.
That was easy.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:10 pm to DadFanAlum
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Bottom line: JJ isn't adequate, Crowton hasn't done his job. Next season if we have Mett and a sharp new OC these problems are solved.
Maybe so. This will become evident in the next few months. Either way JL is just not part of the solution, folks.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:12 pm to Dalosaqy
ok
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:14 pm to Dalosaqy
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Maybe so. This will become evident in the next few months. Either way JL is just not part of the solution, folks.
With a decent coordinator, he may be.
His mechanics are better than JJ's for the most part. If LSU gets a new coordinator, either JJ or Lee will become expendable if Mettenberger comes on board. I wouldn't put my money on either current QB at the present time.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:19 pm to VOR
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I'll repeat myself. Lee isn't the player his backers think he is. He is not a starting SEC quarterback and would not be one under the best of circumstances.
Neither would JJ. What's your point?
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Every QB outside of Flynn has looked lost in our offense.
JJ just cannot run the offense. He looked totally lost yesterday.
quote:Yes.
Mettenberger is a must for LSU next season
quote:He will. . .but Mett will start by game 3.
but somehow believe JJ will start over him next year as well.
That's been my line for a long time now. JJ is not very good, but sadly he is the best we have.
quote:We need better OL play and more consistency from the defense.
With a solid QB, LSU could be undefeated this year.
QB play has yet to cost us a game. . .although it has come close a few times.
Defense HAS cost us 2 games. JJ played a decent all around game against AU, and wasn't as terrible against Arky as the current meme suggests.
Defense has won us a few games, and lost us 2.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:26 pm to Roaad
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That's been my line for about 3 months now.
fify
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If somebody could get him to step into his throws, he would be money.
His mechanics are better than JJ's for the most part.
But he has regressed to throwing scared. At this point his arm is no better than JJ's. JJ plays because he has the ability to run.
Throwing:
JJ's terrible motion = JL's backfoot bonanza
Running:
JJ can =/= JL can't
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:26 pm to Roaad
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JJ played a decent all around game against AU, and wasn't as terrible against Arky as the current meme suggests.
He was awful against Arkansas. Many of his rushes were pass plays where he couldn't figure out what to do in the pocket. There are very few people who actually believe he did a serviceable job yesterday.
Bottom Line is LSU needs another coordinator, and another QB. The current choices limit the offense and it is horrendous.
Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:28 pm to ForeLSU
quote:month and a half, really.
fify
before that was we are fricked with either.
before that I hoped both were improved.
There has been a week in between where I thought Lee had turned the corner, and one where I thought JJ had.
But. . .since Vandy, I have said we need a savior at QB.
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