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re: JJ's Attitude

Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by RedPop4
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:28 pm to
A defense which can't get off the field because the offense can not execute and sustain a drive takes all the blame?

I fear too many of this fanbase are putting way too much believe that the Mettberger kid really IS coming here. I wouldn't count on anything until he's actually in practice.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:30 pm to
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I fear too many of this fanbase are putting way too much believe that the Mettberger kid really IS coming here. I wouldn't count on anything until he's actually in practice.


The truth is LSU may be stuck with what it has for another year.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:31 pm to
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Running:

JJ can =/= JL can't


Many times JJ's running is a hindrance to the offense. yesterday for example.

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:35 pm to
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He was awful against Arkansas.
I don't think he was.

His numbers suggest a servicable game. Perhaps his recent games had people expecting something stellar from him? He is not a stellar QB. We don't have a stellar QB.

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Many of his rushes were pass plays where he couldn't figure out what to do in the pocket.
There were a few of those. There were others where there was no pocket at all, and he was just trying to make something happen when the OL shite the bed.

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There are very few people who actually believe he did a serviceable job yesterday.
That's because we have a fatalistic reactionary fanbase.

Everything is extreme. Which is what we see with this argument.

The JJ/JL debate is fatalism at it's very best. JJ does well, some want to crown him a great QB. JJ does average you see both sides coming out. JJ does poorly and he is the worst QB to ever play for LSU, and because of that JL is obviously now a hidden talent.

You buy into it as much as anyone.

My line? JJ isn't very good. But he seems to be better than the alternative.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:35 pm to
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time and again these kind of statements from JJ give me a feeling that he is the kind of person not willing to take any responsibilty



holy frick you are a gigantic retard. he took FULL responsibility.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:35 pm to
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A defense which can't get off the field because
they can't stop Davis.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:41 pm to
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A defense which can't get off the field because the offense can not execute and sustain a drive takes all the blame?


Second half was horrid. Defense, outside of the two busted plays did a decent job until the offense couldn't gain 30 yards in three attempts in the third quarter.

LSU won...again...despite the offense this year for the most part. New OC, new QB is a must. Mettenberger or bust.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:42 pm to
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Defense, outside of the two busted plays did a decent job
Arky's running game says "Hi"
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:44 pm to
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Arky's running game says "Hi"


Their running game was effective.. but they wouldn't have been in the position to run the ball like they were if it weren't for Hatcher making two extremely pathetic mistakes. Take away that point advantage and Arkansas would have stayed pass-happy.
This post was edited on 11/28/10 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:46 pm to
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Their running game was effective
And it was the reason the D could not get a rest.

2 14 point crapfests by the defense, and a center that snaps to the beat of his own drummer. . .
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:47 pm to
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Defense, outside of the two busted plays did a decent job

Arky's running game says "Hi"


Took off in the second half. It was non existent in the first half. Turning point of the game was the failure of the offense to score a TD, despite having stellar field position in the third quarter.

BTW: For the game, Arkansas averaged 3.1 YPC. Not stellar by any definition. Most of Davis' yards came in the 3rd and 4th.
Posted by White Tiger
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:48 pm to
In Mr. Jefferson's defense, he is just a kid. It is easy, I think, to misunderstand the intent behind the statement's. None of us know him personally. He is probably a good person on the whole, but not mature enough to consider that everything he says may/will be twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.

Easy on him.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:50 pm to
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With a solid QB, LSU could be undefeated this year.


Difficult to argue against this...but Mr. Jefferson's performance as a QB has nothing to do with his moral standing. It is not personal. He has just not demonstrated that he can play consistently at this level. Not much more to it than that.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:52 pm to
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Turning point of the game was the failure of the offense to score a TD
Not the 2 80 yard TD plays?

How much did we lose by again?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:54 pm to
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Not the 2 80 yard TD plays?

How much did we lose by again?



LSU had a whole half to make up for the 7 point deficit at halftime.

Couldn;t do it. 70 yards and 9 points in the second half were obviously not good enough.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:54 pm to
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For the game, Arkansas averaged 3.1 YPC.
sacks count toward the running game

Davis averaged 5.1 a carry.

Green averaged 4.8

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:56 pm to
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LSU had a whole half to make up for the 7 point deficit at halftime.
But the 14 points that Hatcher gave up. . .that is minor. . .

small potatoes.

Not even close to comparing to JJ and his key involvement in the loss.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:58 pm to
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But the 14 points that Hatcher gave up. . .that is minor. . .

small potatoes.

Not even close to comparing to JJ and his key involvement in the loss.


you can spin it either way...offense or defense, bottom line is neither delivered when it needed to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:58 pm to
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Davis averaged 5.1 a carry.

Green averaged 4.8


Majority came late in the game. Mallett only lost 15 yards the entire game btw.

Are you suggesting LSU's offense wasn't a problem? It certainly appears, for some reason which I cannot fathom (sarcasm) that you think the offense was pretty good and was not a factor in Arkansas owning the second half.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
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Posted on 11/28/10 at 3:58 pm to
The stats are not in question. Mr. Jefferson has not gotten better and a case for him being worse can be seriously considered. It just doesn't make sense. Players should get better with experience, but he has not...

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