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re: JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:05 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:05 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
Just curious to see if SFP ever said which QB he would take.
I agree with the notion that 07 had a better OL and running game. I assume that was mostly due to the OL. The RB's were largely the same then as now except for Hester (and no, I am not knocking Hester but Scott and KW had a lot of success behind that OL, too).
What about WR's? I think there is a decent argument that the 2009 LaFell, TT, Randle bunch is better than the 2007 Doucet (oft injured), Byrd (but remember this was his good year), and LaFell (good but tons o drops) group.
I agree with the notion that 07 had a better OL and running game. I assume that was mostly due to the OL. The RB's were largely the same then as now except for Hester (and no, I am not knocking Hester but Scott and KW had a lot of success behind that OL, too).
What about WR's? I think there is a decent argument that the 2009 LaFell, TT, Randle bunch is better than the 2007 Doucet (oft injured), Byrd (but remember this was his good year), and LaFell (good but tons o drops) group.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:13 pm to wds
i'm so tires of you frickin idiots on here sayin JJ is dumb. I bet everything i got you wouldnt have the balls to say that shite to his face. Most of you are the same morons who say flynn was better than jr. Yeah flynn was better except for every statistical category there is to measure a qb. If you cant see that we have no running game,an o line who lets a dline only rushin3 to get to jj and absolutely horrid playcalling then you people are idiots. Peyton Manning couldnt thrive in those circumstances. Matt Flynn was severly pedestrian in 07. And to the dumbass that said it was the te's fault he didnt catch the ball in the go ahed td against kentuckt in 07, flynn overthrew him by 2 feet. FLYNN WASN'T BETTER THAN JR AND IT IS BOT SUCH A STUPID QUESTION IF HE WAS BETTER THAN JJ. TAKE OFF YOUR HATE GLASSES FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:30 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
Flynn was clutch
JJ is anything but
/thread
and the line isn't as bad as people like JJ's supporters to think
JJ is anything but
/thread
and the line isn't as bad as people like JJ's supporters to think
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Let it go. Flynn played hurt a good portion of the year and his #1 option was out half the season. He didn't play garbage time due to RP, LSU just lost its two best receivers to the NFL, and Flynn was in his first year under a new offense.
Yet, we still had the most potent offensive output in LSU history having virtually the same running game as the year before (4.8 ypc to 4.9 ypc).
I like JJ, but he hasn't done anything impressive this season for an entire game except light up one of the worst passing defenses in the country against Auburn.
And to say LSU's schedule this year was more difficult than 2007 is probably one of the dumbest things I've seen you try to argue on here.
Here's some stats worth looking up: Flynn's stats after halftime for the 2007 season. They were lights out, showing you he could make adjustments on the field. We KNOW Flynn had to be making them because it's obvious now that Crowton can't make second half adjustments.
With Flynn we were also able to run a more diverse offense. Yes, Flynn is white. Yes, JJ is black. So what. The fact is Flynn had a better grasp of the offense in year one than JJ has in year two. People can call that whatever they want, the bottom line is that it is a fact.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:35 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
quote:youve got some issues. i dont think anyone here said JJ was dumb. (jamarcus russell maybe, but not JJ). its a matter of who we think was the better qb. its not an issue of dumb or hate.
PRIDGENTIGER
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:38 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
The fact is Flynn had a better grasp of the offense in year one than JJ has in year two.
and somehow JJ has out-performed him
did he do it with magic?
quote:
having virtually the same running game as the year before
look up the ypc in big games, pre-keiland and post-keiland
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:38 pm to jjbodean1970
RS Senior vs. Trus Sophomore
eta: i like the comparison though cause their styles are close to the same.
eta: i like the comparison though cause their styles are close to the same.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:40 pm to Sammobile
JJ doesn't have it between the ears to be a winning SEC QB
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:41 pm to HDTigers
quote:
JJ doesn't have it between the ears to be a winning SEC QB
i love how our QBs who don't have it between the ears end up with 7+ ypa and 60%+ completion rates
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:42 pm to HDTigers
we are 4-4 in the SEC with JJ as a starter and thats sparing him the Ole Miss game last year
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:42 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
quote:What's that got to do with the question?
I bet everything i got you wouldnt have the balls to say that shite to his face.
quote:Why?
FLYNN WASN'T BETTER THAN JR AND IT IS BOT SUCH A STUPID QUESTION IF HE WAS BETTER THAN JJ.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:43 pm to theunknownknight
we lost 2 games in 2007 and Flynn had a terrible 1st half in both. I think he was like 4 for 15 against ark. we went to the wire against bama and I believe Flynn through 3 ints. in the first half. when we had trouble as a team in 07, go look at Flynn's stats for that game. IT MIGHT BE A DIRECT CORRELATION.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
and somehow JJ has out-performed him
You're right, I've must have missed those games where JJ played more clutch and won bigger games than Flynn. You sure you weren't playing NCAA football and got confused.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:44 pm to theunknownknight
JJ =/= clutch
Flynn = clutch
Flynn = clutch
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:45 pm to theunknownknight
flynn was clutch against AU (after being horrible in the first half)
flynn didn't lead LSU to a win against UF. it was hester
flynn failed big time against UK and was bad against Arky. failed on the 2 point conversion to end it
outside of AU, where was all of this clutch play?
flynn didn't lead LSU to a win against UF. it was hester
flynn failed big time against UK and was bad against Arky. failed on the 2 point conversion to end it
outside of AU, where was all of this clutch play?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:46 pm to HDTigers
Jefferson will be a better QB then Flynn in 2011
Count on it
Count on it
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:47 pm to TigerNlc
quote:
I wasn't talking about one play, I was talking about the whole season you fricking moron. I guess the play called was a drop back and get sacked huh?
Well, the playcalling has been consistently awful all year, but I'll use the Ole Miss sack as an example:
Ball is on the 30 yard line with about a minute to go. A field goal wins the game. The idea is to pick up ten to fifteen yeards to put the attempt in safe range. Our QB has a bad ankle which prevents the scramble. Our OL has been a swinging door all year and Ole Miss has blitzed 7-8 the vast majority of the quarter.
With all of this, our OC calls a play consisting of three deep routes and no drop offs. The earliest that Jefferson could have gotten rid of the ball is about three seconds after the snap. He got sacked about four seconds after the snap. Just a shining example of how our coaching staff puts our players in terrible positions game in and game out.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:48 pm to Antonio Moss
let's also bring up coaching scared, like not going for the TD against UF early
the game was over after that
the game was over after that
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:maybe you forgot the throws vs Arky to keep us in it that he made
flynn failed big time against UK and was bad against Arky. failed on the 2 point conversion to end it
it isn't his fault the coaches called the same play on the final 2 pt play that they had on the others
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