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re: JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?

Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:05 pm to
Just curious to see if SFP ever said which QB he would take.

I agree with the notion that 07 had a better OL and running game. I assume that was mostly due to the OL. The RB's were largely the same then as now except for Hester (and no, I am not knocking Hester but Scott and KW had a lot of success behind that OL, too).

What about WR's? I think there is a decent argument that the 2009 LaFell, TT, Randle bunch is better than the 2007 Doucet (oft injured), Byrd (but remember this was his good year), and LaFell (good but tons o drops) group.
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:13 pm to
i'm so tires of you frickin idiots on here sayin JJ is dumb. I bet everything i got you wouldnt have the balls to say that shite to his face. Most of you are the same morons who say flynn was better than jr. Yeah flynn was better except for every statistical category there is to measure a qb. If you cant see that we have no running game,an o line who lets a dline only rushin3 to get to jj and absolutely horrid playcalling then you people are idiots. Peyton Manning couldnt thrive in those circumstances. Matt Flynn was severly pedestrian in 07. And to the dumbass that said it was the te's fault he didnt catch the ball in the go ahed td against kentuckt in 07, flynn overthrew him by 2 feet. FLYNN WASN'T BETTER THAN JR AND IT IS BOT SUCH A STUPID QUESTION IF HE WAS BETTER THAN JJ. TAKE OFF YOUR HATE GLASSES FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE.
Posted by HDTigers
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:30 pm to
Flynn was clutch


JJ is anything but

/thread



and the line isn't as bad as people like JJ's supporters to think
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

SlowFlowPro


Let it go. Flynn played hurt a good portion of the year and his #1 option was out half the season. He didn't play garbage time due to RP, LSU just lost its two best receivers to the NFL, and Flynn was in his first year under a new offense.

Yet, we still had the most potent offensive output in LSU history having virtually the same running game as the year before (4.8 ypc to 4.9 ypc).

I like JJ, but he hasn't done anything impressive this season for an entire game except light up one of the worst passing defenses in the country against Auburn.

And to say LSU's schedule this year was more difficult than 2007 is probably one of the dumbest things I've seen you try to argue on here.

Here's some stats worth looking up: Flynn's stats after halftime for the 2007 season. They were lights out, showing you he could make adjustments on the field. We KNOW Flynn had to be making them because it's obvious now that Crowton can't make second half adjustments.

With Flynn we were also able to run a more diverse offense. Yes, Flynn is white. Yes, JJ is black. So what. The fact is Flynn had a better grasp of the offense in year one than JJ has in year two. People can call that whatever they want, the bottom line is that it is a fact.





Posted by jjbodean1970
Huntington, WV
Member since Mar 2006
6493 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:35 pm to
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PRIDGENTIGER
youve got some issues. i dont think anyone here said JJ was dumb. (jamarcus russell maybe, but not JJ). its a matter of who we think was the better qb. its not an issue of dumb or hate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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476900 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

The fact is Flynn had a better grasp of the offense in year one than JJ has in year two.

and somehow JJ has out-performed him

did he do it with magic?

quote:

having virtually the same running game as the year before

look up the ypc in big games, pre-keiland and post-keiland
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
Member since Jan 2009
22438 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:38 pm to
RS Senior vs. Trus Sophomore





eta: i like the comparison though cause their styles are close to the same.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 1:41 pm
Posted by HDTigers
Pirates Cove
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:40 pm to
JJ doesn't have it between the ears to be a winning SEC QB
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

HDTigers

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

JJ doesn't have it between the ears to be a winning SEC QB

i love how our QBs who don't have it between the ears end up with 7+ ypa and 60%+ completion rates
Posted by HDTigers
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:42 pm to
we are 4-4 in the SEC with JJ as a starter and thats sparing him the Ole Miss game last year


Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

I bet everything i got you wouldnt have the balls to say that shite to his face.
What's that got to do with the question?
quote:

FLYNN WASN'T BETTER THAN JR AND IT IS BOT SUCH A STUPID QUESTION IF HE WAS BETTER THAN JJ.
Why?
Posted by lsuchamps11
Member since Oct 2009
257 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:43 pm to
we lost 2 games in 2007 and Flynn had a terrible 1st half in both. I think he was like 4 for 15 against ark. we went to the wire against bama and I believe Flynn through 3 ints. in the first half. when we had trouble as a team in 07, go look at Flynn's stats for that game. IT MIGHT BE A DIRECT CORRELATION.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60933 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:43 pm to
quote:


and somehow JJ has out-performed him


You're right, I've must have missed those games where JJ played more clutch and won bigger games than Flynn. You sure you weren't playing NCAA football and got confused.
Posted by HDTigers
Pirates Cove
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:44 pm to
JJ =/= clutch

Flynn = clutch
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:45 pm to
flynn was clutch against AU (after being horrible in the first half)

flynn didn't lead LSU to a win against UF. it was hester

flynn failed big time against UK and was bad against Arky. failed on the 2 point conversion to end it

outside of AU, where was all of this clutch play?
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
Member since Jan 2009
22438 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:46 pm to
Jefferson will be a better QB then Flynn in 2011


Count on it
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49411 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I wasn't talking about one play, I was talking about the whole season you fricking moron. I guess the play called was a drop back and get sacked huh?


Well, the playcalling has been consistently awful all year, but I'll use the Ole Miss sack as an example:

Ball is on the 30 yard line with about a minute to go. A field goal wins the game. The idea is to pick up ten to fifteen yeards to put the attempt in safe range. Our QB has a bad ankle which prevents the scramble. Our OL has been a swinging door all year and Ole Miss has blitzed 7-8 the vast majority of the quarter.

With all of this, our OC calls a play consisting of three deep routes and no drop offs. The earliest that Jefferson could have gotten rid of the ball is about three seconds after the snap. He got sacked about four seconds after the snap. Just a shining example of how our coaching staff puts our players in terrible positions game in and game out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:48 pm to
let's also bring up coaching scared, like not going for the TD against UF early

the game was over after that
Posted by HDTigers
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

flynn failed big time against UK and was bad against Arky. failed on the 2 point conversion to end it
maybe you forgot the throws vs Arky to keep us in it that he made

it isn't his fault the coaches called the same play on the final 2 pt play that they had on the others
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