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Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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they do not have elite talent
they benefited from the 2 worst BCS conferences that year
So it doesnt really matter when the teams MF beat were highly ranked or won their conference? Then you change the definition to "elite talent" teams. That's like taking Wilt over Bill Russell because he won so many more scoring titles instead of making the team better and winning championships. Compare the team offensive stats those years and get back with me. RP, JR and JJ all have tremendous talent and should be All Pro at any level. 2006 was our most talented team and how did that work out for us? Breaking in a new receiving corp and rallying the team to win AT Bama and against good Florida (won titles before and after), Auburn, South Carolina, VA Tech, Tennessee and OSU teams makes Flynn the easy choice.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:20 am to Bert Lyons 716
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Despite being bumped to a 4 star,JJ was not recruited by Bama,Florida,Texas,Oklahoma,Tennessee,etc. ACC and Big X were not after him either.
JJ was hurt mid-way into his jr year in H.S. thats the time when players are most heavily recruited. thats the main reason why he was overlooked.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:22 am to wds
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So it doesnt really matter when the teams MF beat were highly ranked or won their conference?
Take a look at who those teams lost to in their bowl games. OSU lost to a team with 2 losses to weak teams. An VT pretty much pissed their pants against a Kansas team that benefited from one of the weakest schedules in the history of CFB. They lost to the only good team on their schedule. Clear evidnce that those teams turned out to be overrated when it was all said and done in 2007.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
you have to be kidding...
Matt was hobbled almost the entire year (foot, shoulder), so you need to put JJ in a similar posture for an entire season for any means of comparison
Matt was hobbled almost the entire year (foot, shoulder), so you need to put JJ in a similar posture for an entire season for any means of comparison
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:40 am to lsu xman
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Despite being bumped to a 4 star,JJ was not recruited by Bama,Florida,Texas,Oklahoma,Tennessee,etc. ACC and Big X were not after him either.
JJ was hurt mid-way into his jr year in H.S. thats the time when players are most heavily recruited. thats the main reason why he was overlooked.
He was a 4 star so wasn't an unknown. I know about recruiting. He was not recruited by SEC schools so by SFPs theory he can't be good. He uses it to discredit Tigers' Wins in NC yr.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:33 am to Bert Lyons 716
Yep only measurables count in his world, so how in the world can someone who got no other "elite" offers be good? Ansere, he can't be...next quesiton..
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:37 am to Jason9782003
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Bennie Wells, Laurenitis(sp?), Malcolm Jenkins.
tod boeckman
a shitty OL
a shitty DL
no athletic WRs
etc
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:38 am to Bert Lyons 716
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By your reasoning JJ can never be a good QB because he was not recruited by other SEC teams.
what? my reasoning?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:40 am to wds
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So it doesnt really matter when the teams MF beat were highly ranked or won their conference?
not if they won a shtity conference
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2006 was our most talented team and how did that work out for us?
we lost 2 games, just like in 2007
except we also had a much harder schedule, and we lost to 2 top 10 teams on the road, unlike losing to 2 unranked teams
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Breaking in a new receiving corp and rallying the team to win AT Bama and against good Florida (won titles before and after), Auburn, South Carolina, VA Tech, Tennessee and OSU teams makes Flynn the easy choice.
wins show team performance
we're talking individual performance
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Flynn QB'd teams scored a SHITLOAD more pts than JJ QB'd teams
isn't that pretty much the most important factor when comparing QBs
also, JJ has ZERO QB awareness
isn't that pretty much the most important factor when comparing QBs
also, JJ has ZERO QB awareness
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:46 am to HDTigers
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Flynn QB'd teams scored a SHITLOAD more pts than JJ QB'd teams
our running game in 2007 averaged a full yard more per carry also
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isn't that pretty much the most important factor when comparing QBs
no, again, that's a total team comparison (if not team, then 1 side of the ball)
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
lets compare clutch throws
this year JJ has one, the throw to TT vs Ole Miss
Flynn had multiple, the throw to Byrd vs Auburn and the throw to Byrd vs Bama
the throw to Byrd vs Arky on 4th down
Flynn had a knack for putting points on the board, JJ just acts like a robot out there
this year JJ has one, the throw to TT vs Ole Miss
Flynn had multiple, the throw to Byrd vs Auburn and the throw to Byrd vs Bama
the throw to Byrd vs Arky on 4th down
Flynn had a knack for putting points on the board, JJ just acts like a robot out there
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Now, I know most will automatically say Flynn because of the results of Flynn's season, but I think its probably a lot closer than people think. You have to remember that Flynn was quarterbacking behind one of the greatest rush offenses in LSU history. People who really don't understand football can't comprehend this. A running game aids a quarterback beyond description. Take a look at 2002 Ohio State - Craig Krenzel might be the worst QB in football history to have won a championship. But because of Ohio State's excellent running game and defense, he's shortcomings were hidden. To a lesser extent, you could point to Matt Mauck, although Mauck was certainly better than Krenzle.
I personally think Jefferson would be an absolute terror for opposing teams if we had a solid running game. He is a better scrambler than Flynn and, this may be shocking to some, takes better care of the football.
Now, where Flynn and Russell excelled was making check downs and audibles at the line. Looking in hindsight, I believe a lot of Crowton's misgivings were covered up by Flynn's ability to audible out of a bad call. But again, Flynn was a 5th year senior and Russell didn't really start to excel at this until the back half of his redshirt sophomore year.
If we could get a good QB coach in here to teach Jefferson some of this stuff, I think he has the potential to be one the better QBs in the NCAA.
I personally think Jefferson would be an absolute terror for opposing teams if we had a solid running game. He is a better scrambler than Flynn and, this may be shocking to some, takes better care of the football.
Now, where Flynn and Russell excelled was making check downs and audibles at the line. Looking in hindsight, I believe a lot of Crowton's misgivings were covered up by Flynn's ability to audible out of a bad call. But again, Flynn was a 5th year senior and Russell didn't really start to excel at this until the back half of his redshirt sophomore year.
If we could get a good QB coach in here to teach Jefferson some of this stuff, I think he has the potential to be one the better QBs in the NCAA.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:56 am to HDTigers
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not if they won a shtity conference
Again who has JJ beat? 0 ranked teams unless you count the bowl game but GT is from a shitty conference remember. Also, our offense is ranked second to last in the SEC.
This post was edited on 11/24/09 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/24/09 at 11:59 am to TigerNlc
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Also, our offense is ranked second to last in the SEC.
we have no running game
we had an unreal running game in 2007
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have no running game
That may be because a lack of a passing game.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:01 pm to TigerNlc
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That may be because a lack of a passing game.
it's b/c of horrible OL recruiting and development
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
it's b/c of horrible QB recruiting and development
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:03 pm to HDTigers
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People who really don't understand football can't comprehend this. A running game aids a quarterback beyond description.
Thanks for proving my point . . .
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Flynn QB'd teams scored a SHITLOAD more pts than JJ QB'd teams
isn't that pretty much the most important factor when comparing QBs
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