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Posted on 10/23/13 at 2:52 pm to TheOcean
Les coaches in the SEC
JIMBO does not
Don't try to compare
JIMBO does not
Don't try to compare
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:00 pm to Chicken
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t is a valid reason as being a head coach requires skills, delegating and time management
...Skip clearly missed this on Les' resume.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:03 pm to higgins
The dude was a OC for 5 more years after we hired Miles. It isn't like he left and was immediately a huge success as a HC.
Jimbo isn't a better coach than Miles. Most years he gets the same 2 loss season with arguably more talent in a not arguably weaker conference. This is the first year where he may have too much talent to blow is ordinary 2 losses.
Jimbo isn't a better coach than Miles. Most years he gets the same 2 loss season with arguably more talent in a not arguably weaker conference. This is the first year where he may have too much talent to blow is ordinary 2 losses.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:07 pm to old man tiger
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No. The tiger fans were very critical of Jimbo at the time because of our very vanilla offense. There would have been a massive outcry if he had been hired.
Absolutely correct. Jimbo's offenses were ok at-best during Saban's tenure and Jimbo was very hit-or-miss when it came to recruiting QBs. Our offense really could never find an identity under Fisher. IMHO, the greatest difference between Saban's LSU and Bama tenures is that, with Bama, Saban has figured out the best offensive system to pair with his defense (zone-blocking based running game / play-action down-field passing; very similar to the Mike Shanahan Denver Broncos' offenses in the 1990s) and the best coordinators and personnel to run that system. If Saban would've had OC's like McElwain and Nussmeier at LSU I think he would've had an even better run in Death Valley.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:11 pm to NWHoustonTiger
Exactly. Jimbo offenses went into a shell against any decent defense. With a better OC, LSU wins 2006 NC.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:19 pm to higgins
I remember people didn't want Fisher even as OC including me. Now that FSU has a good year you think
Fisher is the man? LSU has had several good years like FSU, not sure what is the point here.
Fisher is the man? LSU has had several good years like FSU, not sure what is the point here.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:23 pm to Chicken
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Mike Archer is still the reason why LSU will be hesitant to hire anyone with no prior head coaching experience.
It is a valid reason as being a head coach requires skills, delegating and time management that you don't get in other positions.
This is very true and is also a reason FSU has now started to emerge strongly as opposed to right away under Fisher. He gained experience as a HC the past few years and now they will reap the benefits.
That said, Miles was a hire by Bertman with the intention of him being significantly easier to control than a Saban type coach. When Saban was at LSU, he dictated things, and Bertman didn't like that. It's also why a guy like Petrino was never going to get hired here.
Upon Bertman's retirement, LSU hired Alleva who now is Miles' whipping boy. Ironic how things turned out.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:25 pm to Geauxgurt
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That said, Miles was a hire by Bertman with the intention of him being significantly easier to control than a Saban type coach. When Saban was at LSU, he dictated things, and Bertman didn't like that.
fricking Bertman. A niche sport deity.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:32 pm to TheOcean
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37-10, a BCS victory, four first rounders, and a chance to play for the title this year.
Funny how people act like Jimbo took over an LSU level team like Miles did at LSU in 2005.
FSU in the years before Jimbo took over as head coach:
8-5, 7-6, 7-6, 9-4, 7-6 for a grand total record of 38-27 (0.585 winning percentage).
Since Jimbo took over:
10-4, 9-4, 12-2, and 6-0 (so far). So Jimbo has 37 wins in 3.5 years and Bowden had 38 total in his last 5 years. Yes, the guy has done absolutely nothing.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:42 pm to The312
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fricking Bertman. A niche sport deity.
Bertman did a lot for LSU Athletics and the university as a whole, so it's hard to look negatively at him in some regards, but as an AD, he was a control freak and put his legacy above all.
It wasn't shocking. Great and I mean GREAT Baseball coach and mediocre AD, but nothing compares to the crap fest of an AD Joe Dean was.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:45 pm to JustSmokin
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Without looking at the precise numbers, if Jimbo wins the MNC this season, on the surface, his accomplishments as a head coach would appear to equal Les'.
Equal to Miles?
Jimbo was playing in the ACC featuring the canes that were destroyed by us while Les had to contend with FL, AU, GA and bama.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 3:51 pm to howardvany2k
Again, can you please compare where both teams started from when the coaches took over?
LSU for 5 years before Miles had a 48-16.
FSU for 5 years before Jimbo took over was 38-27.
I'd say he's done a damn good job for a guy in his first year as a head coach.
Les took over a team that had a combined 22-4 record the previous two year and a NC.
Jimbo took over a team that was 16-10 the previous two years, but ignore that.
LSU for 5 years before Miles had a 48-16.
FSU for 5 years before Jimbo took over was 38-27.
I'd say he's done a damn good job for a guy in his first year as a head coach.
Les took over a team that had a combined 22-4 record the previous two year and a NC.
Jimbo took over a team that was 16-10 the previous two years, but ignore that.
This post was edited on 10/23/13 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/23/13 at 4:32 pm to guttata
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FSU still has few games to go before you get to crown ole Jimbo. He has shite the bed alot more times than he has been successful.
I don't know many fans in Tally who love Jimbo. Many feel he isnt a good fit there. I don't know why though - he seems solid.
This post was edited on 10/23/13 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/23/13 at 4:43 pm to higgins
If you remember Saban did not recommend him until late in the process. Also remember, that Saban did not take Jimbo with him to Miami. I wish that someone had strongly endorsed Jimbo. I admit that he was quite young at the time, and that is what hurt Mike Archer.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 5:20 pm to TheOcean
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So Jimbo finally has a good season at FSU
37-10, a BCS victory, four first rounders, and a chance to play for the title this year.
ACC is always so tough, year in and year out!!
Posted on 10/23/13 at 5:22 pm to Dudebro2
Dude, 9 and 4 is a winning season and therefore a successful season. There is room for improvement.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 5:33 pm to Geauxgurt
A team that was almost universally considered to have under-performed that last season under Bowden and won their division at 9-4 the previous year.
Of course, by Rant logic, he's winning with Bowdens recruits.
Of course, by Rant logic, he's winning with Bowdens recruits.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 6:17 pm to Salmon
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So Jimbo finally has a good season at FSU, and now all of a sudden the rant wants Jimbo back?
Yea he is a football god...now.
Posted on 10/23/13 at 6:24 pm to Bubba Bexley
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That was about the time the bubble screen went out of style.
I know posters joke about this regarding Jimbo but there are worse plays than throwing a screen to a fast 230 lbs DBowe.
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