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re: Jeremy Hill had the best explanation about the fumble recovery that was not.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:47 pm to Colonel Flagg
I can agree with that the ball would have been ruled dead at that spot.
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:47 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
I agree if he’s out of bounds it’s illegal touching and the ball should have gone to LSU
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:50 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I am telling you had he gotten up quick and ran with it. That split second he had his two hands on the ball and his knee down would have been considered possession and the play dead at that instant.
He would have been considered down if he had held on to the ball when it was slapped. If you have the ball enough to get up and run with it, yeah that’s possession. None of that happened. The ball was slapped at as soon as his hands touched it.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
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How many seconds, by rule, does he have to maintain possession?
No idea, cause it’s subjective, which means that ref can decide whatever he wants. And he made the same call as the ref calling the game, who was fair and honest and good all night.
All I know is the ball was knocked away immediately as the LSU player touched it, and y’all saying he had possession.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 1:58 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
It’s astonishing how often reviewed calls get blatantly missed. Not just in the SEC, but in the NFL and MLB as well.
I think sometimes they outthink themselves, looking for things that aren’t there.
I think sometimes they outthink themselves, looking for things that aren’t there.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:00 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
The NCAA defines possession:
“The ball is in player possession when a player has the ball firmly in their grasp by holding or controlling it with hand(s) or arms) while contacting the ground inbounds”
Conveniently do not define firmly though.
“The ball is in player possession when a player has the ball firmly in their grasp by holding or controlling it with hand(s) or arms) while contacting the ground inbounds”
Conveniently do not define firmly though.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
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The standards are higher for overruling a call made on the field. If there was sufficient possession on the field, even if only a second, how did that change on replay?
Cause in real time LSU recovered the ball. Did it ever occur to you that when they made the call on the field live they didn’t see the Bama player out of bounds?
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:01 pm to Vacherie Saint
As stated in this thread, a pass catch is different than a loose ball, but... If a defensive player gets his hands on a fumbled loose ball and clearly has it in his 2 hands for a split second, while he is on the ground, and an opposing offensive player grabs it out of his hands when when he is also on the ground and immediately takes it completely away from the defensive player, while they are rolling on the ground, gets up jumping up that he has recovered the fumbled ball, I believe the offensive player is given the fumble recovery. It's a time(definitely a few seconds) and possession event occurring together IMO.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:06 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Nowhere near the Nola No Call. The play has a name that will always be remembered.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:06 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
My exact sentiment. Otherwise catching a football for a reception with two hands and dragging one foot inbounds to land out of bounds isn’t a reception because control with two hands isn’t enough control and no “football move” was made or bringing it to your body.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:08 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
He did not have possession of the ball. In fact he dropped it and it rolled on the ground. Geez
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:08 pm to Mindless Zombie
quote:By rule it does not.
I agree if he’s out of bounds it’s illegal touching
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:09 pm to Thedillyplate
quote:they most certainly do.
Replay booth (SEC) does not have multiple cameras in the stadium that provide them with more angles of plays.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:15 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
Would he have maintained control if not acted upon by a player who was out of bounds and impacted the play without reestablishing himself in bounds? That’s the only thing they needed to ask themselves is if the player out of bounds doesn’t hit it out his hands did he have control over the ball and would have remained in control of it without that outside force. What would be the rule if the play happens on side line and I come from the bench an kick the ball out of his hands. We gonna give the ball back to my team or what?
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:19 pm to Vacherie Saint
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There is no football move on the ground or in a dog pile.
I agree. His knees were both down so the only thing he could do is go to the ground to protect the ball.
They had an opportunity to not overturn the call by saying they couldn’t conclusively say he didn’t have control
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:22 pm to CP3forMVP
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Hill is correct here. There are a million pictures out there that Brooks had “possession” prior to Latu touching it.
Disagree. I'm sure on an incomplete pass that goes through the hands of a WR you could stop the film at the precise time the ball hits the hands and make it look like a catch. The still picture doesn't catch how the ball is clearly moving around under the LSU player. He did NOT have full control until after the defender SUPPOSEDLY touched it while out of bounds.
I still have yet to see a clear and decisive pic showing the Gump touching the ball while on the sideline. Thats the real issue for me.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:24 pm to Geaux Tahel
I believe it's actually a time issue of how long your holding a fumbled ball on the ground with others hitting the ball on the ground trying to take it from you. I think you need to possess the ball for a second or two to really have possession.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:25 pm to PortCityTiger82
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Exactly. An ineligible player should not be able to affect a play to that extent.
Everytime the ball is a fumbled along the sidelines you'd hope that the player who fumbles just sticks his leg out of bounds and touches the ball.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:29 pm to SofaKingTrill
Brooks "possession" of the ball was not long enough before it was loosened from his hands by Bama player
Posted on 11/6/22 at 2:32 pm to BayouBlitz
If he didn’t “have control” with 2 hands on the ball then Mond didn’t “have control” with 2 fingers on the ball in that A&M game.
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