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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:19 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:19 pm to lsufball19
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exactly, go watch the same throw lee made against florida last year. very similar coverage
it was one on one against UF and the play was designed to go to the corner the whole time
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:19 pm to lsufball19
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exactly, go watch the same throw lee made against florida last year. very similar coverage, but lee threw the ball before the break and before the safety would have had time to react and get over there. JJ doesn't know how to throw to a spot on the field, only to an already open receiver LINK
Its a completely different route. RR was running an out TT a fade
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:20 pm to junkfunky
Every JJ hater on this thread refuses to accept the route wasn't a fade. At no point in those pictures does it look like RR has any intention on running a fade route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:20 pm to rutiger
I too had to explain this to the guy sitting next to me in the stands. He was complaining and I told him to watch the safety on the replay screen and that he read the play. It would have been picked off. After the replay, the guy agreed with me. As soon as JJ started to drop back, the safety moved towards RR. It wasn't that JJ held on too long at all, RR was double covered and they didn't need to try and force it. Smart move by JJ, take the 3 points, the game isn't even close.
Why would anyone want anything other than a simple play call in this scenario? Pull out a great play call and Bama sees your cards.
Why would anyone want anything other than a simple play call in this scenario? Pull out a great play call and Bama sees your cards.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:20 pm to junkfunky
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That was a fade not an out route and it was not a read route by the wide receiver.
the throw JJ made was supposed to be a fade and the ball wasn't in the air, so RR had to cut his route off. that ball should have been in the air the minute the ball was snapped.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:21 pm to Geauxld Finger
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i believe i stated this in the earlier thread. thanks for proving me right with pics.
The ONLY thing this proves is that JJ is absolutely scared to death to throw an interception. Trust me I played wide receiver and he should have thrown the ball to the back corner or high enough that only RR could make the catch. As a QB, you have to give the receiver a chance to catch the ball. This play is designed to happen fast. 3 step drop, throw it up for grabs. Do you think that NFL QB's would have held that ball? Hell No. If RR has a half step there, it should have been 6. Sorry but your logic is not justified and it shows the ignorance that many on this board have.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:21 pm to lsufball19
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the throw JJ made was supposed to be a fade and the ball wasn't in the air, so RR had to cut his route off. that ball should have been in the air the minute the ball was snapped.
then why was JJ staring off the safety?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:22 pm to lsufball19
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the throw JJ made was supposed to be a fade and the ball wasn't in the air, so RR had to cut his route off. that ball should have been in the air the minute the ball was snapped.
lol wow. I'd think you were trolling, if your idiocy wasn't shared by 50% of the posters on this thread.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:22 pm to jturn17
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Every JJ hater on this thread refuses to accept the route wasn't a fade. At no point in those pictures does it look like RR has any intention on running a fade route.
Its because every JJ hater refuses to believe that JJ could have improved since last season yet they always tout JLs improvement. Its convenient for them because they were sounding the horn loud calling Miles an idiot before JJ turned it around mid season. If JJ doesnt step on the field they get to pat themselves on the back and say they were right all along
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:23 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Looks to me like if the ball was already in the air and at the highest point of Randle's jumping ability neither defender would be able to have stopped a TD. IF the ball was already there, #9 is not a factor and the CB is not in position to defend the play if the ball is up and out in front RR.
Notice in this pic below, JJ is standing there waiting for an open receiver instead of throwing to a spot where RR could get it, whether covered or not. He should be throwing at this moment knowing RR is cutting and should put it up and out in front. JL and many other decisive QB's would have made this throw.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:23 pm to Geaux2002
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Some of you really know very little about football if you can't grasp that.
You remind me of a cast member of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia"...from now on...You are Charlie
The other thing that comes to mind is Dumb and Dumber when he tells the bus...."The town is back that a way."
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:23 pm to Run DMC
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The ONLY thing this proves is that JJ is absolutely scared to death to throw an interception. Trust me I played wide receiver and he should have thrown the ball to the back corner or high enough that only RR could make the catch. As a QB, you have to give the receiver a chance to catch the ball. This play is designed to happen fast. 3 step drop, throw it up for grabs. Do you think that NFL QB's would have held that ball? Hell No. If RR has a half step there, it should have been 6. Sorry but your logic is not justified and it shows the ignorance that many on this board have.
ofcouse it does. there can be no other reason
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:24 pm to jturn17
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Every JJ hater on this thread refuses to accept the route wasn't a fade. At no point in those pictures does it look like RR has any intention on running a fade route.
It was a fake in then cut/slant out route. In either instance, the ball has to come out quickly. JJ held it to long, and the play was shot down by it. That is not hating on JJ. It was a stupid call to use with JJ. It's not his strength. JJ's strength is on plays that develop and where he can move around and make the throws.
That is on coaching, not JJ. I think the coaches played it safe and said, if it's not there, throw it away, and JJ did the right thing, but it results due to the fact that JJ holds on to the ball to long. It's his style versus Lee's and is also why he had so few INTs in 2009 compared to Lee in 2008.
JJ has clearly improved since the beginning of last season, and will improve with more reps with his teammates. He's done very well considering the time away from the team and practices.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:24 pm to Run DMC
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Trust me I played wide receiver and he should have thrown the ball to the back corne
SO an out route is supposed to be thrown in the back corner?
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Trust me I played wide receiver
No one cares that you played WR in junior high.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:25 pm to Adam Banks
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If JJ doesnt step on the field they get to pat themselves on the back and say they were right all along
Even better, wanting him to throw an interception so they can say "told you so".
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:25 pm to Choctaw
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then why was JJ staring off the safety?
JJ looks to be staring right at RR the entire time
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:25 pm to Trauma14
Agreed. If you see in this picture as well the safety has bought on the middle as his body weight is shifted INSIDE, as such the ball needs to be in the air to take advantage of his bad first step.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:25 pm to Adam Banks
Could someone fark Lee into those pics and repost this? Im interested in seeing the responses.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:26 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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So as you can see...He DID NOT stare down one receiver, he read the safety, and made the correct decision based on how the Defense played
Technically, he did stare down one receiver, but that's because there was only one receiver and it was a pass play.
It was a great call by JJ to toss into into the visitor's section. Had he tucked it and ran, people would have bitched that all he does is run. Had the tried to jam it into double coverage in the red zone and it was picked or was incomplete, he'd have been dogged for throwing it when he should have thrown it away.
Literally nothing wrong with this play on his part.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:27 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Only thing you are showing me is that RR was actually open had he run the play as called. The ball should not be in his hand that long.
Oh and
So which other receiver did he look at? Every QB at ANY LEVEL reads the safety first.
Oh and
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So as you can see...He DID NOT stare down one receiver
So which other receiver did he look at? Every QB at ANY LEVEL reads the safety first.
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