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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:35 pm to JohnnyU
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:35 pm to JohnnyU
quote:
If he is still rusty, then he shouldn't have been in the game to attempt it
I was surprised he was asked to make such a throw to be honest. It's high risk, and not something JJ has done much of in the past. Not sure why it was called this soon after his return when he had done nothing but throw very safe passes.
Whatever reason, there is no way you can blame the QB. Blame the people who called the play if you are upset with it. I certainly don't expect JJ to be up to 100% yet.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:36 pm to LSUPHILLY72
He's getting better, but I still think he place is in a backup role.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:37 pm to Tigerdew
quote:Yeah, I have to admit that he does.
He looks like he actually tried to drive the DB inside first.
It looks a lot like it might have been intended to be a drive route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:37 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Wheres the 12 page thread on any of JL incompletions? or the jump pass? or JL's awesome throws to RR? or JJ's completed pass to RS?
Did you miss the ode to Jlee thread after the Oregon game? The one where the guy used screencaps of every single Lee incompletion to show how each pass was pretty much perfect?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:37 pm to Tigerdew
quote:The guy hauling arse to catch up? Yeah, he has no shot at all. None, zero, zip, nada. I mean, if you don't get that the ball should have been in the air at pic 5, then I guess i could see how you would think #9 could somehow be involved.
Look at the pic above. 9 is right there.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:38 pm to just me
quote:
The timing on the two passes are different. An out requires a pass that is thrown hard.
on that particular play the passes aren't that different, they're both timing throws, thrown to the boundary where only your guy can make the catch. Shorter outs are more over the shoulder throws than fastballs...
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I was surprised he was asked to make such a throw to be honest. It's high risk
really not that high risk if it's thrown correctly...but frankly I think it's a great play for the film room and will help him and RR with timing and reads
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:42 pm to Tigerdew
quote:lol, 9 is not right there, he is 3yards behind randle and in no position to make a play on a ball thrown to the side of the endzone.
Look at the pic above. 9 is right there.
it wasn't a fade and it wasnt a straight out route. Randle fakes a cut inside at the goal line then ends up 5 yards deep and at the sideline.
JJ is suppose to throw him open if he throws to the sideline of the endzone no florida player is making a play on the bell.
Its exactly the kind of play you call to use your receivers height and leaping ability to your advantage.
Its the same kind f play we've seen JJ fail to make for the last 3 years. Hence all the bitching about not using our receiver's(Lafell, Tolliver, Randle) size to our advantage.
and hence how horrible we had been at scoring TDs in the redzone.
nice windup kid
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:42 pm to ForeLSU
quote:Yes, and which is why I don't get people complaining about a good football discussion. I mean, even though the OP was dead wrong.
but frankly I think it's a great play for the film room and will help him and RR with timing and reads
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:44 pm to ForeLSU
quote:
really not that high risk if it's thrown correctly..
You are asking a helluva lot to ask a guy who has less than 10 throws this year and hasn't practiced much to make. Underthrow it's gone the other way. Has to be thrown perfect or overthrown.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It's a basic throw. If he can't make it, he shouldn't be playing.
You are asking a helluva lot to ask a guy who has less than 10 throws this year and hasn't practiced much to make. Under throw it's gone the other way. Has to be thrown perfect or overthrown.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:46 pm to JohnnyU
quote:Yes. You can. Almost anywhere on the field.
You can throw a fade from almost anywhere
quote:Yes. The LOS dictates how far Randle has to run to before he begins his fade.
so the LOS dictates how far the receiver has to run.
quote:Yes. He did.
We were 3 or 4 yards farther out this year than last year. He had to run deeper.
quote:No. The cut on a fade is still started in the same place. You have limited room in the endzone. You can't start your fade too deep into the endzone.
It was a fade.
Toliver started his fade right before the goalline. Toliver runs about a yard, and starts his fade.
If Randle was running a fade, he would have run about five yards to the goalline and started his fade. However, Randle ran five yards into the endzone before he made a cut.
That's not a fade. That's an out.
quote:A fade requires a lofted ball. Lofted balls travel slowly. Thus, a QB must throw them early.
Call it What you want the same principle of timing applies.
An out requires a hard pass. Hard passes travel quickly. Thus, a QB throws them later than a fade.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:48 pm to LSUPHILLY72
B.S. He's a running QB. It's third down, run the ball to give your team a chance to score the TD instead of throwing it away. Worst case is he's tackled and we still kick the FG.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:54 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
It's a basic throw. If he can't make it, he shouldn't be playing.
timing routes were never his thing. If the man isn;t open, he wont release the ball, but by then it's too late.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:56 pm to LSUPHILLY72
1. stares down RR on obvious play
2. RR is covered, take off and RUN (DUAL THREAT QB?)
/thread
2. RR is covered, take off and RUN (DUAL THREAT QB?)
/thread
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:57 pm to CptBengal
What's the fricking point of this thread?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:58 pm to CptBengal
quote:Agree.
timing routes were never his thing. If the man isn;t open, he wont release the ball, but by then it's too late.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:59 pm to Bojangles
Basically its just a poorly disguised JJ Basher Brigate reunion.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:59 pm to Bojangles
12 pages in. do people stillthink it was a fade route to the back corner of the endzone?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 5:00 pm to junkfunky
Seems like there is a possible spot to complete the pass but it would have been extremely tight. In that situation I'm glad Jefferson threw it away.
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