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re: Jayden is literally having a better season than any heisman winner since 2012
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:13 am to rickgrimes
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:13 am to rickgrimes
Saw this over on Tiger Roar
Jayden is:
No.1 - Total Offense 408.2 YPG
No.1 - Passing Efficiency - 202.12
No.1 - Passing TD's - 30
No.1 - Points Responsible For Per Game - 23.0
No.1 - Yards Per Pass Attempt - 11.59
No.1 - Rush Yards Per Carry - 8.05
I would venture to say that it is Highly Likely that no QB has EVER lead the country in "Yards Per Pass Attempt" AND "Rush Yards Per Carry".
So, the combination of these 2 stats means that when Jayden Daniels takes the snap, he is the best in the country at whatever he decides to do with the ball (Throw it or Run with it).
Since you can't forward this post from a Private Board, feel free to copy and paste this message and get it to whoever needs to see it.
* Kudos to Keyser Soze for bringing this to our attention is all I would ask. Who is Keyser Soze? He's an anonymous LSU fan that has a history of finding things that can potentially benefit LSU that nobody else can see.*
Jayden is:
No.1 - Total Offense 408.2 YPG
No.1 - Passing Efficiency - 202.12
No.1 - Passing TD's - 30
No.1 - Points Responsible For Per Game - 23.0
No.1 - Yards Per Pass Attempt - 11.59
No.1 - Rush Yards Per Carry - 8.05
I would venture to say that it is Highly Likely that no QB has EVER lead the country in "Yards Per Pass Attempt" AND "Rush Yards Per Carry".
So, the combination of these 2 stats means that when Jayden Daniels takes the snap, he is the best in the country at whatever he decides to do with the ball (Throw it or Run with it).
Since you can't forward this post from a Private Board, feel free to copy and paste this message and get it to whoever needs to see it.
* Kudos to Keyser Soze for bringing this to our attention is all I would ask. Who is Keyser Soze? He's an anonymous LSU fan that has a history of finding things that can potentially benefit LSU that nobody else can see.*
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Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:38 am to rickgrimes
Only one in the list that’s done anything worth talking about in the NFL is Burrow. Thats wild.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:39 am to IM_4_LSU
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Again Jayden is having a fantastic and historic season and the second best season in LSU history but its not on par with Joe's.
We must have a different definition of "on par." You just broke down the statistics that show they are essentially even in total yards, total touchdowns, and points per game.
They may not end up even due to Burrow having 2 additional games (assuming bowl game for Daniels) and winning the SEC and NC. But on a per game basis at this point in the season they are absolutely "on par" with one another.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:41 am to Wayne Campbell
Stats didn’t list wins and losses
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:42 am to rickgrimes
Best player on that list
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:58 am to Wayne Campbell
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We must have a different definition of "on par."
You must not have read the entire post. Because I explained that. But if you only want to go off yds per game then sure they are having a similar season. But again then Dwyane Haskins' 2018 was "on par" with Burrow's 2019 season. Burrow having 3 more touchdowns and averaging essentially 2 more points per game is not where I was saying they are not on par.
Again, what made Burrow's 2019 season the best in College Football history is how he played in the SEC Championship, the Playoff Semi Final, and the Championship to close the season.
But again if you just want to go strictly off per game stats then there are a lot of QBs who put up a bunch of numbers but are not considered the best in College Football history. SMH
Posted on 11/16/23 at 8:59 am to Chad504boy
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Stats didn’t list wins and losses
The last bastion of Daniels haters is blaming him for the performance of the defense.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:02 am to rickgrimes
Joe Burrow had the most incredible season I've ever seen QB have as far as making huge plays when LSU needed them the most and making the best decisions on every throw but a handful of times throughout the season.
Other than being a little hesitant to let it fly in the FSU game, Daniels has been incredible with his accuracy and decision-making in the passing game. Something clicked after the FSU game. Also, what he is doing in the running game may be unparalleled when it's all said and done if he ends up averaging 8 ypc like he is right now. He is having the most Heisman-worthy season right now. Nix is up there too, but JD is literally making historic records.
Other than being a little hesitant to let it fly in the FSU game, Daniels has been incredible with his accuracy and decision-making in the passing game. Something clicked after the FSU game. Also, what he is doing in the running game may be unparalleled when it's all said and done if he ends up averaging 8 ypc like he is right now. He is having the most Heisman-worthy season right now. Nix is up there too, but JD is literally making historic records.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:18 am to Wayne Campbell
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We must have a different definition of "on par." You just broke down the statistics that show they are essentially even in total yards, total touchdowns, and points per game.
They may not end up even due to Burrow having 2 additional games (assuming bowl game for Daniels) and winning the SEC and NC. But on a per game basis at this point in the season they are absolutely "on par" with one another.
Absolutely. People are letting Burrow's final three games cloud the comparison. Burrow was unreal in the SECCG and CFP. Obviously Daniels is not going to get that opportunity. But in terms of an apples to apples comparison for the regular season you can make a VERY strong argument Daniels has been just as good. Maybe better when you consider what he has done on the ground. And if you are talking about regular season schedules, you could make the argument Daniels has faced a tougher one than Burrow faced in 2019.
2023 FSU is much better than 2019 Texas
2019 Miss. St, Auburn, and Florida were better than the 2023 versions.
However, 2023 Missouri (on the road) is MUCH better than 2019 Vanderbilt. Same for 2023 Ole Miss compared to a terrible 2019 Ole Miss team.
The only real division is whether you think 2019 Alabama was better than 2023 Alabama. I tend to think they were. However, Daniels wasn't able to finish the 2023 game. And it's not like he was struggling when he got taken out of the game. 219 passing with 2 TDs; 163 yards rushing with 1 TD. If Daniels doesn't get taken out in the 3rd quarter I think he exceeds 300 yards passing and 200 yards rushing
To put it in a bit of perspective:
Burrow had 4,366 passing yards in 12 games; 44 passing TDs, 6 INTs; 248 rushing yards; 3 rushing TDs.
Clyde Edwards Helaire had 1,233 rushing yards in 12 games.
When it is all said and done, Daniels has a shot to have (appx) 3,800 passing yards, (approx) 35 TDs AND (approx) 1,200 rushing yards and (approx) 12 TDs. From a yardages perspective he may accumulate approximately 85% or so of the TOTAL yards gained by both Burrow AND Clyde combined.
Burrow will always be the gold standard because he led LSU to a NC and elevated his game to an even higher level in the postseason. Sadly, Matt House is going to prevent Daniels from having that same opportunity. But from a strictly regular season perspective what Daniels is doing is every bit as impressive as Burrow.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:18 am to Damone
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The last bastion of Daniels haters is blaming him for the performance of the defense.
The last bastion for Damone is calling everyone a "hater" when they don't agree with him.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:30 am to Big EZ Tiger
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Other than being a little hesitant to let it fly in the FSU game, Daniels has been incredible with his accuracy and decision-making in the passing game.
And if you go back to the FSU game you'll see his WRs let him down at crucial moments, which completely changed the game.
Tied 17-17 midway through the 3rd Daniels throws a great third down pass to Lacy...who drops it. Had it caught it LSU would have been set up in FSU territory. Instead, they punt and FSU scores (24-17)
On the next series Daniels hits Thomas on what should be a 30+ yard gain into FSU territory. Unfortunately, Thomas drops its. The very next play Nabers slips on a comeback route allowing the DB to intercept the pass. FSU scores again to make it 31-17 and the game was essentially over.
History kind of repeated itself in the Alabama game. Tied 28-28 midway through the 3rd, Daniels runs for 25 yards to the Alabama 35 yard line. It's called back because of holding setting up a 2nd and 17. Daniels then hits Taylor for what should be at least a 13-14 yard gain to set up a 3rd and short. Taylor drops it. LSU can't convert 3rd & 17 and has to punt. Alabama scores to make it 35-28 and never trails again.
What he (and the whole offense) is doing is nothing short of remarkable considering the defense has given them virtually ZERO margin for error all season.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 9:32 am to Boneappleteeth
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Only one in the list that’s done anything worth talking about in the NFL is Burrow. Thats wild.
Lamar Jackson has won a league MVP and has been a legit starter his entire time in the league. But other than Lamar and Joe, the rest have been average or below.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 10:20 am to Penrod
It was a joke, dude. Lord!
Posted on 11/16/23 at 11:53 am to Alt26
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And if you go back to the FSU game you'll see his WRs let him down at crucial moments, which completely changed the game.
I agree. The WRs played bad and they seemed out of sync. Since then, they have mostly been great. If they would have played like they are playing now, it would have been a much closer game in the end.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:02 pm to slackster
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Through this point of the season it absolutely is on par with Burrow in 2019. It’s okay to admit.
No, it’s not remotely comparable. Jayden has scored 24 and 28 points against the only two decent defenses he has had to play. The rest of the stats have come against horrible defenses.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:06 pm to rickgrimes
Manziel had 1400 yards rushing. Pretty salty.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:08 pm to Damone
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The last bastion of Daniels haters is blaming him for the performance of the defense.
Cute Hyperbole
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:34 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I understand this, but if you go by yards per play, Daniels is averaging an insane 10.55. No player going back at least to 2009 (and probably way further than that because i can't go further on the site i use), has done that. The closest ones, who played a whole season and not 3-4 games, was Kyler Murray at 10.37, and Mac Jones at 10.33 in 2020. And Jones played a ton of .500 and below garbage juice teams. Only a handful even reached 10 yards per play for a full season (like 5).
Joe Burrow played a murderer’s row schedule and LSU was still often playing with their foot off the gas pedal in most 2nd halves due to being up by so many points.
Jayden might average more yards per game, but Joe could have very easily averaged another 100 yards per game, thrown another TD or 2 per game, etc. 2 games that come to mind are the Semi final against Oklahoma and Sr Night against A&M. Both games were over immediately and that directly impacted Burrow from not accumulating more stats. And those weren’t the only games that happened during that season.
Basically put, it takes Jayden less plays to do what Burrow did, at least in yards. TDs are different.
IMO, Burrow didn't have his players letting him down so much for TDs. There are two games where Daniels should have grabbed at least 4 more TDs, but drops killed him. We have a large amount of drops too. Really bad drops. He also had 2 TDs taken away vs Mizzou.
If you took Daniels stats over 15 games, you'd get 4746 pass yards 45 TD 6 int 1377 rush yards 12 TDs. So he'd have 6123 yards and 57 TDs. He'd have more yards, but behind by 9 TDs. While it took Burrow 642 plays to reach 6039 yards, using Daniels's average, he'd only need 580.5 plays to reach his 6123 yards. So if you go by plays per TD, Burrow averaged 9.4 plays per TD while Daniels currently averages 10.18 plays per TD. That means Daniels is ONLY behind by less than a play per scoring TD.
Basically put, Burrow ran more plays per game than Daniels. They are basically a single hair apart in how many plays it takes for them to score.
To conclude, Daniels is essentially Burrow, but more efficient in picking up yardage, and just a hair behind scoring. If analysts did the heisman voting, Daniels might have the biggest win on record. He's doing something that only one other person has done, and nobody so far has done what he has done picking up yards as efficiently.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:40 pm to mattchewbocca
quote:stuff like that doesn't matter. Burrow ran more plays per game than Daniels does. When you extrapolate Daniels over 15 games, Burrow still has him beat by 62.5 plays. Daniels has already sat out two halves of games, 2 4th quarters and a half a quarter vs Auburn. Essentially you're talking 8 and a half games worth of playing. Also, if you go by 4th quarters, Burrow played in 11 fourth quarters. Daniels has only played in 7 and one of those he barely played vs Bama, so essentially you could say he has only played in 6 4th quarters.
You guys are forgetting Joe came out in the 4th quarter for a lot of his games.
Posted on 11/16/23 at 12:42 pm to Damone
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The last bastion of Daniels haters is blaming him for the performance of the defense.
You are absolutely the dumbest shite starting poster on this website.
frick ….how bad must you suck IRL
This post was edited on 11/16/23 at 12:42 pm
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