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Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:22 am to TigerLunatik
I mean...if we had a guy who could give us 6+ innings on Sunday there's no way this happens. We had basically our entire bullpen at our disposal, there's nothing wrong with exhausting all options in that scenario imo
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:26 am to Honkus
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Nahh, its chicken shite whether it works or not. It also burns one of our more reliable Sunday arms.
I think this is the point that most people haven’t considered. Dutton has been solid all year long, if this was your plan from the get go then start a different righty then go to hasty early. By starting Dutton and pulling him he’s unavailable for the rest of the game
Posted on 5/16/22 at 10:59 am to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:shut the frick up
This is a goddamn nightmare.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:08 am to TigerLunatik
That looked bad for Dutton because I think most people assumed that he got pulled because he threw one bad pitch that almost left the yard.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:22 am to TigerLunatik
quote:That you think left on left matchups are better? That isnt some new thinking.
It's just so dumb. If you think Hasty gives you the best chance to win, give him the ball and tell him to go kick some arse. But, don't basically tell him his best chance to win is by trying to trick the other team. What kind of message is that sending to your players?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 11:34 am to CleanSlate
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I think this is the point that most people haven’t considered. Dutton has been solid all year long, if this was your plan from the get go then start a different righty then go to hasty early. By starting Dutton and pulling him he’s unavailable for the rest of the game
I think people do realize it. It's just not the only issue with the move. The move was embarrassing.
But, to your point, no logical person can conclude that Dutton is viewed by Jay Johnson as a reliable arm. His value in this game was set to be less than the value of Hasty vs. that lefthanded lineup for the number of innings you thought you could get out of Hasty (probably 3-4 at best). There's no way Dutton doesn't feel that.
Dutton has been pulled in the first inning in two straight starts. To say his confidence is probably shot is an understatement. This is a kid whose value was trending up and had been trending up for several weekends. Now, he's in Blake Money territory and it's really not his fault.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:23 pm to tigerfoot
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That you think left on left matchups are better? That isnt some new thinking.
Then why not start Hasty to begin with?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 12:54 pm to moneyg
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Dutton has been pulled in the first inning in two straight starts. To say his confidence is probably shot is an understatement. This is a kid whose value was trending up and had been trending up for several weekends. Now, he's in Blake Money territory and it's really not his fault.
The kid was pulled last weekend because he didn’t pitch well. This weekend they planned to pull him after one batter and he had to know that. If he’s that fragile then perhaps he isn’t made of the right stuff.
But I suspect he is and in the long run he will do well. Getting pulled for a bad outing is part of the game. He knows that.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:01 pm to TigerLunatik
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The way they were swinging the bat we needed every advantage we could get,” Johnson said of pulling Dutton. “I didn’t want them to know what we were going to do. But that didn’t work out
Just wow. And to think I have been supporting a coach who does/thinks like this.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:16 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:Because Bianco would not have put as many left handed bats in the line up.
Then why not start Hasty to begin with?
Look, I dont like it, I think it is stupid and burns Dutton for no reason. But that is hindsight. But there was a theoretical reason for it.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:17 pm to moneyg
quote:This is not poassible. He knew he wasnt 'pulled', he was used as a decoy which sucks too, but he knows it wasnt a performance thing.
Dutton has been pulled in the first inning in two straight starts. To say his confidence is probably shot is an understatement.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:20 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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This is a goddamn nightmare. People were leery of Vitello because of his hotheadedness but we got a bigger douche who doesn’t win.
Woodward needs to do some damage control now - suspend him for the midweek game and tell him if he ever does something like that again he won’t be wearing P&G
Good grief. Overreact much?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:25 pm to tigerfoot
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Because Bianco would not have put as many left handed bats in the line up.
That's ridiculous. Bianco plays his same 9 almost every game, no matter who they're facing. He has moved the order around some, at times, and he does play a guy in place of Leatherwood or Dunhurst sometimes but that guy is also LH. They don't have any RH bats that would have been in the game anyway.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:37 pm to DRock88
This is just like everyone bit on Jay's reason for not trying more hit and run: because it takes away the 4-3 hole for the LHH. News flash - the 1B is holding the runner on, hit and run or not, it makes no difference. If a hit and run takes away any hole, it's the middle...and it opens up another hole with it. If he meant it takes away the 4-3 hole because the runner is now on 2B, and that's a bad thing...oh boy.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:08 pm to TigerLunatik
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so let's you him to trick them.
Stroke?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:37 pm to TigerLunatik
More proof he’s in over his head.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:44 pm to moneyg
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It's kind of hard to argue that Johnson hasn't been a douche. His delays in the game to slow down the opposing pitcher would drive LSU fans nuts if it was the other coach. I've seen him take the maximum amount of time on the mound during a pitching change...even when his pitcher is ready and not even throwing anymore. He has some belief in these type of interruptions. This move was incredibly Bush league.
I wouldn't put Johnson in the "douche" category. I'm not a fan of the excessive slowing down of the games, though. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt in that some of it may truly be that he's trying to get as much coaching into a team that's new to him, and frankly can really use it at times, but if in 2-3 years he's still dragging games on and on consistently then I think he's going to start hearing it from the (LSU) fans and probably the league. With all the 'speed up the game' business they've been throwing out there, I'm pretty sure I saw a stat a few weeks ago that we have by far the longest average games in the league.
Most everything I've heard from listening to the guy talk inspires confidence and gives the impression he knows baseball, at least in general. I think this season has shown he's got a fair bit to learn about coaching in the SEC, though.
I'm not a fan the 1 batter pitching change thing for a number of reasons, mostly just because it's a weak move, and it projects weakness. The team needs confidence, not shenanigans. I'm not going to run him out of town over it, though. It shows he's at least trying some things.
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 5:28 pm to LSshoe
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I'm not a fan the 1 batter pitching change thing for a number of reasons, mostly just because it's a weak move, and it projects weakness. The team needs confidence, not shenanigans. I'm not going to run him out of town over it, though.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 6:27 pm to justice
Lmao , we go 9-1 in our last ten sec games then lose to a team that’s gotten hot and would have been tied for first in the west if we would have won the series and now it’s a “goddamn nightmare “
I mean this , that poster is a fricking idiot
I mean this , that poster is a fricking idiot
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