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Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:10 am to OppositeMan
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How can the NCAA punish a university over comments made by a person that is not employed by the university?
look up the definition of a booster
and lol at the NCAA not punishing schools for the acts of third parties. go revisit USC and Reggie Bush
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:11 am to OppositeMan
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Our compliance dept needs a major reboot.
I don't feel all high and mighty and feel like LSU needs to be more strict than our competition...I've gotten no moral victory out of watching our compliance dept hold us back over the year
How have they held LSU back?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:14 am to jpcajun
You guys dissing a fellow Alumni need to relax that crap. He was just trying to help.
I lived in Washington DC while Carville was there and can assure you no one was more respected. Everyone in the room got more quiet and looked when he walked in. Even the republicans loved him in person. His wife got famous just by being married to him.
He passed his prime, but is still a fine man; and a LSU Tiger through and through.
I lived in Washington DC while Carville was there and can assure you no one was more respected. Everyone in the room got more quiet and looked when he walked in. Even the republicans loved him in person. His wife got famous just by being married to him.
He passed his prime, but is still a fine man; and a LSU Tiger through and through.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:15 am to Darius David
Go frick yourself, you race baiting piece of shite.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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look up the definition of a booster
and lol at the NCAA not punishing schools for the acts of third parties. go revisit USC and Reggie Bush
I guess I'm not too vested in this, so I'm not going to do a bunch of research on USC and stuff.
But I did look up "booster"...there are several definitions, but these were the ones that could apply:
-Someone who is a fan or supporter of something.
-Someone who promotes a town or business
-A member of a booster club.
I understand that this country is fricked beyond belief, but I'd be very surprised to learn of a law that allows liability claims against institutions based on the actions of unaffiliated third parties.
The NCAA will never surprise me in their bias and overreach, but I'm doubting that a court would uphold their decisions in this case.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:19 am to Lester Earl
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How have they held LSU back?
It's in poor taste to openly discuss, as I'm going to sound like I'm condoning bad behavior.
The bottom line is that our primary competition's players can get arrested with drugs and illegal weapons, and they don't miss a beat. We have failed weed tests that result in us dismissing our best player ever.
Do you feel like our compliance department is more strict than some other schools' or no?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:53 am to tigersbb
He's a booster by every definition, but that is in no way out of bounds by a booster.
In fact, as long as no names were mentioned a staff member, including any of the 10 recruiting coaches, could say the same thing.
We need more of this.
FYI: using names has been debated many times before. Some say it is a privacy violation of someone who isn't officially tied to a school (a recruit). Some use the argument that it becomes free publicity when you use a name and that is an impermissible benefit.
So, if Carville had used names, maybe that becomes a violation via impermissible benefits from an established booster. Even that is debatable however.
In fact, as long as no names were mentioned a staff member, including any of the 10 recruiting coaches, could say the same thing.
We need more of this.
FYI: using names has been debated many times before. Some say it is a privacy violation of someone who isn't officially tied to a school (a recruit). Some use the argument that it becomes free publicity when you use a name and that is an impermissible benefit.
So, if Carville had used names, maybe that becomes a violation via impermissible benefits from an established booster. Even that is debatable however.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:54 am to ktxn1952
Carville is a dick now & forever! 
Posted on 1/9/19 at 8:55 am to OppositeMan
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players can get arrested with drugs and illegal weapons, and they don't miss a beat. We have failed weed tests that result in us dismissing our best player ever.
Compliance is the bridge between the university & the NCAA. Arrests are criminal issues, the penalties fall on the coach & administration.
Compliance has no say in Failed NCAA drug tests, such as the Fulton situation. There are NCAA mandated penalties
For failed university administered tests, again the penalty is up to the coach and administrators. I guess you are talking about Mathieu?? Dude failed like 9 drug tests. Ryan Perrllioux got tons of chances too. I’m not even sure these failed tests need to be reported to the NCAA
Compliance is fine. They do a good job. They are too strict until LSU is hit with sanctions & then you complain about that too.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:09 am to Lester Earl
But it's the compliance department that reports the infractions to the NCAA, correct?
I admit I don't know a ton about this stuff. Do you agree that LSU seems to be a bit harder on itself than, say, bama is on itself? If yes, what is that?
I admit I don't know a ton about this stuff. Do you agree that LSU seems to be a bit harder on itself than, say, bama is on itself? If yes, what is that?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
Two compliance roles (in addition to the one's you correctly mentioned) that they have but I have an issue with is:
- Education of both staff and players. Not a failure here, but they seem to be falling short. There are 'holes' in knowing what's permitted, and the penalties.
You correctly mentioned Fulton being an NCAA testing infraction that is outside LSU Compliance's purview, EXCEPT when it comes to education. Fulton was completely unaware of the huge penalty that resulted from what he did when he did it.
- Navigating questionable or grey areas. Related to education for the staff. NCAA rules have lots of grey areas. It's the staff's job to work with compliance to find out what the shade of that grey is, and what's the risk aspect (potential penalties) if the NCAA decides after the fact that it's black and not white. Our compliance decided long ago that if it is not white, it's black. There is no gray. If there is any risk... it is against the rules. It just doesn't work that way.
ETA: our compliance does deserve kudos in two areas:
- maintaining it's independence and not letting the coaches unduly influence them into really bad situations.
- self-reporting. It's a god send. It avoids LOIC. It saves scholarships (e.g. you might lose visits, but save the schollie).
- Education of both staff and players. Not a failure here, but they seem to be falling short. There are 'holes' in knowing what's permitted, and the penalties.
You correctly mentioned Fulton being an NCAA testing infraction that is outside LSU Compliance's purview, EXCEPT when it comes to education. Fulton was completely unaware of the huge penalty that resulted from what he did when he did it.
- Navigating questionable or grey areas. Related to education for the staff. NCAA rules have lots of grey areas. It's the staff's job to work with compliance to find out what the shade of that grey is, and what's the risk aspect (potential penalties) if the NCAA decides after the fact that it's black and not white. Our compliance decided long ago that if it is not white, it's black. There is no gray. If there is any risk... it is against the rules. It just doesn't work that way.
ETA: our compliance does deserve kudos in two areas:
- maintaining it's independence and not letting the coaches unduly influence them into really bad situations.
- self-reporting. It's a god send. It avoids LOIC. It saves scholarships (e.g. you might lose visits, but save the schollie).
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:24 am to tigersbb
I was once at an event with his wife (Mary Matalin). At one point I asked if I could get a photo with her.
Problem was, it was too loud for her to hear what I said, and her attempt at reading my lips gave her the impression I said something very different.
"Can I f--- you," is what I think she thought I said based on her reaction.
Another lady whispered into her ear what I had actually said and she apologized and posed for a photo with me.
It was a pretty funny moment.
I know, csb...
Problem was, it was too loud for her to hear what I said, and her attempt at reading my lips gave her the impression I said something very different.
"Can I f--- you," is what I think she thought I said based on her reaction.
Another lady whispered into her ear what I had actually said and she apologized and posed for a photo with me.
It was a pretty funny moment.
I know, csb...
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:28 am to Philippines4LSU
James Carville, please stick to your politics and leave LSU football to others.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:29 am to TBoy@LSU
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James Carville, please stick to your politics and leave LSU football to others.
I'd rather he did stuff like this that could help LSU rather than him spouting off his usual political BS.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:30 am to OppositeMan
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But it's the compliance department that reports the infractions to the NCAA, correct?
Sure, and you really don’t want any leeway when it comes to that.
Bottom line is The NCAA does not issue punishment for criminal activity.
So think about compliance in the same vain; it’s more regulatory & procedural policies that they overlook. I’m sure they deal with some behavioral stuff within the university but again, anything criminal is dealt with internally outside of the NCAA.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:30 am to Darius David
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But you listen to the biggest idiot in the history of the presidency. Who also happens to be a racist, criminal, and a traitor. God please help this dumb country of ours.
Are there any idiot billionaires on the planet?
Care to elaborate on how he is racist? Trump dated a black girl but don't let that spoil your agenda.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:43 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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It's hard to understand how some on an LSU fan board would disparage a guy like Carville who proudly represents LSU every chance he gets.
Yep. He is my favorite democrat.
Amen!
It's hard to understand how some on an LSU fan board would disparage a guy like Carville who proudly represents LSU every chance he gets.
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Even the republicans loved him in person.
Yep. He is my favorite democrat.
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a fine man; and a LSU Tiger through and through
Amen!
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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i imagine he's a booster so he can't say whatever he wants
Technically anybody who is a member of TAF is considered a booster under the definition.
Are you saying Ott and Hanagriff, assuming they are TAF members, could cause LSU to incur violations when they discuss recruiting on their show?
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 9:50 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:55 am to Darius David
quote:easy there - bone spur excuse 5 times is okay for the altright of the PT board.
and a traitor.
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