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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:49 pm to Stephen1979
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:49 pm to Stephen1979
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Do you think the punishment will help him be a better person going forward? Isn't that what this supposed to be about? Helping these kids be better people on and off the field?
No. I don't think the punishment will help him be a better person. It will (or should) keep him from trying to break this rule again. But breaking this rule certainly doesn't make him a bad person. (most) PEDs aren't illegal in the actual world. Just in the NCAA world. I don't think Laron Landry was/is a bad person.
But I'm not really here to argue the ethics of it.
So many other seemingly much more important rules are broken all the time (guns, weed, domestic abuse). The SEXUAL ABUSE scandal at Baylor got Briles fired but the NCAA collectively said "meh" and not a single sanction or suspension was leveled against the program or ex coach.
Hugh Freeze was suspended two games?
Jerry Sandusky molested 52 kids while Penn state watched over a period of 15 freaking years.. and their suspension was basically 4 games. No bowl games for 4 years.
And here's Fulton.. being dumb. The NCAA has the small dick syndrome that day.. and they want to make an example.. and they throw down a punishment much harsher than all of those examples put together.
The lack of depth sucks. but it's certainly not why I'm mad about this. The entire NCAA is such a ridiculous institution, absolutely oozing with hypocrisy. They are why I'm mad.
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:50 pm to tgerb8
quote:No. They have a clear defined rule in place here. There was no judgement needed
And here's Fulton.. being dumb. The NCAA has the small dick syndrome that day.. and they want to make an example.. and they throw down a punishment much harsher than all of those examples put together.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:55 pm to lsupride87
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No. They have a clear defined rule in place here. There was no judgement needed
and that's fine and dandy. If they want to throw out that type of punishment for this
quote:rule then they better throw out something just as harsh or (in a normal world) much more harsh for the eleven thousand other, much more blatant, examples where they basically did nothing.
clear and defined
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:58 pm to tgerb8
quote:Not really. Those other cases are not easy to tag a clear and hardfast rule like it is for tampering for a drug test
rule then they better throw out something just as harsh or (in a normal world) much more harsh for the eleven thousand other, much more blatant, examples where they basically did nothing.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:08 pm to nitwit
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When your attorney's lead argument is that the assessment of a penalty is "unethical", you have a problem. "It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.
this
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:18 pm to lsupride87
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No. They have a clear defined rule in place here. There was no judgement needed
Exactly. Fans can bitch about the rule all they want and I kind of agree. I mean, you can say he made a mistake and I agree with that. But, in this case, he actually made 2. He cheated and he falsified his sample. I like the NFL rule that a diluted sample is a positive and go with that. Half of a player's eligibility is too much for this if he's tested clean for a full year.
Bottom line is that there is a clear, defined rule and a punishment that goes along with breaking that rule.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:43 pm to Space Cowboy
Why are people saying this is unfair?
It's clearly laid out. You frick with the sample, 2 years automatically.
Well. He did that. So he gets two years.
It's clearly laid out. You frick with the sample, 2 years automatically.
Well. He did that. So he gets two years.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:27 pm to LouBega
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They have a clear defined rule in place here. There was no judgement needed
I think you hardliners are getting two things mixed up: 1.the fact he broke a rule he knew about and 2.the harshness of the rule compared to like offenses.
They are mutually exclusive and aren't dependent on each other. The second can be argued as too harsh without questioning the validity of the first.
Yall are being obtuse. There is a precedent in our country of "the punishment should fit the crime". It's not a new idea.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:38 pm to extremetigerfanatic
What's the like offense? Has someone gotten suspended for 6 months after tampering?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:05 pm to LouBega
I have no clue what the like offense would be, I haven't researched it.
I was just making the statement that people saying he can't argue the harshness or that he shouldnt or that he has no case are being obtuse.
If it can be proven the punishment doesn't fit the crime the punishment could possibly be reduced. It's not uncommon.
I was just making the statement that people saying he can't argue the harshness or that he shouldnt or that he has no case are being obtuse.
If it can be proven the punishment doesn't fit the crime the punishment could possibly be reduced. It's not uncommon.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 8:15 am to tgerb8
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So many other seemingly much more important rules are broken all the time (guns, weed, domestic abuse). The SEXUAL ABUSE scandal at Baylor got Briles fired but the NCAA collectively said "meh" and not a single sanction or suspension was leveled against the program or ex coach.
Hugh Freeze was suspended two games?
Jerry Sandusky molested 52 kids while Penn state watched over a period of 15 freaking years.. and their suspension was basically 4 games. No bowl games for 4 years.
This type of relativism doesn't really add anything.
I understand that 2 years is crazy long. I agree with that. But, the Jerry Sandusky has nothing to do with it.
What should the penalty be for getting caught using performance enhancing drugs?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:07 am to tigersbb
quote:This is why the NCAA is a total joke. Absolutely no consistency with punishments.
He is right. Get caught with a stolen weapon and drugs and get a pass because you have been sweating in the hot sun all summer while others sit in air conditioning - Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones. Knock out a woman cold , no problem - Joe Mixon. Domestic violence - get second chance at Alabama after dismissal from Georgia- no problem. Try to deceive on a drug test and must sit out two years.
I don't know the details of this story regarding "tampering" but I will ask...Could he have gone to jail for his actions? Did he break the law by his actions?
If in fact, he did break the law his punishment is excessive compared to what you listed above.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:08 am to Space Cowboy
It’s a harsh punishment, but I’m not how he’s going to win an appeal with the clear cut and dry policy that he apparently was caught violating red-handed.
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