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It's DD's 42nd year, will she finally win? What is realisitic outlook?

Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:52 am
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2900 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:52 am
Shocking stat to me, the longest serving coaches in NCAA D1 history (DD and SC men's soccer coach) have never won a NC. DD has won 2 sec's in her last two years, but will this finally be the year?

I have attended meets off and on for 20+ years and admit to not knowing how judges score things. Sure, I know a good from bad routine but not the 9.3 vs. 9.7 scores.

In any case, sure others (LSUALUM et al) can help here, what is outlook after being in top 6 last few years? How many of the D1 teams (50 or so total) have any chance and in the end is LSU one of the 5-6 who have any chance to win it all?

Thanks, sorry if I am German here
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:00 am to
McKenna = BACK

We comin
Posted by TIGER62
METAIRIE, LA
Member since Aug 2005
2219 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:00 am to
u - she is great coach - as in life - second best is not bad!
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:02 am to
Gymnastics is a very subjective sport, which allows for more politics and bias to be involved. LSU should have won it a few times, but the "bluebloods" of the sport always get the benefit of the doubt. For LSU to win the national championship, they will have to blow programs like Oklahoma, Alabama, and UCLA out, which means they need to be close to perfect AND those programs (depending on which make the finals) need to struggle to the point where the average viewer can tell.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:22 am to
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For LSU to win the national championship, they will have to blow programs like Oklahoma, Alabama, and UCLA out, which means they need to be close to perfect AND those programs (depending on which make the finals) need to struggle to the point where the average viewer can tell.


Exactly. This is my problem with sports where subjective judging determines the winner (gymnastics and figure skating are the 2 major sports where this is the case). The "bluebloods" are consistently given inflated scores, even when they falter. Oklahoma was the benefit of this in both 2016 and 2017.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45106 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:28 am to
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This is my problem with sports where subjective judging determines the winner


this is what I tried to tell you people about the football playoff and the committee. We had the best formula with the original BCS but it was blowed up because the media couldn't manipulate it.
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2900 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:39 am to
Agree with most of the above...sort of like trying to beat a boxing Champ, you have to beat them bad or judges go with the Champ.

Having said this, we built the best (or among) facilities 5 years ago, have great recruiting classes since hiring Jay, have made final 6 most years so would think we are near blueblood? Also from 1982-2012 only 4 teams ever won NCAA (Utah, UCLA, UGA, Bama) but in past 6 two new teams won (OU, UF). How are we not in top 6 programs by now if less than 40 or so BCS teams exist and only 52 total? We have the resources etc. how do we not get in this group? Judges have not been a problem at home (have not lost in 3 years)...
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18228 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:47 am to
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We had the best formula with the original BCS


You know a large majority of the BCS is taken from polls, which are purely subjective?
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 9:48 am
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45106 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:06 am to
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You know a large majority of the BCS is taken from polls, which are purely subjective?


Partially. The original BCS was a combination of the polls which has hundreds if not thousands of voters which reduces the biases. but a large part was also strength of schedule and your opponents strength of schedule. it didn't have a small group of people going behind closed doors and picking teams that they think are the best. No one knows what formula they use to determine this, then they will throw out a bullshite term like eye test.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10286 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:09 am to
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Gymnastics is a very subjective sport, which allows for more politics and bias to be involved. LSU should have won it a few times, but the "bluebloods" of the sport always get the benefit of the doubt. For LSU to win the national championship, they will have to blow programs like Oklahoma, Alabama, and UCLA out, which means they need to be close to perfect AND those programs (depending on which make the finals) need to struggle to the point where the average viewer can tell.


Actually Oklahoma is a johnny come lately to the championship circle. LAU has been hampered by a couple of unexpected low scores by senior stars. Even more it seems they dont get adequate credit for their daring up tempo floor shows while Oklahoma does bread and butter and scores higher or at least within range so it does not impact the final result. One of these years all the stars will align lik ethey have for Oklahoma and Florida and the ladies eill bring home that elusive title.
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2900 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:06 am to
Actually Oklahoma is a johnny come lately to the championship circle

as is Florida
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24324 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:20 am to
I hope so and then she turns it over to Jay.
I would love to see a 30 for 30 on Lexi if they win the Natty. What a great ending to a great career that would make.
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4128 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 11:40 am to
They have a good shot this year. The SEC Championship is in NOLA this year, so that could help with the conference title.
Posted by bryancpg
Member since Sep 2016
20 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:20 pm to
Next years recruiting class is much stronger than this year and they are depending on more unproven athletes this year. Would think they have a better chance in 2020. Hoping Jay and family are happy and stick in BR, thats probably more of a factor than DD. Either way they are top 4 and have a chance if the cards fall right.
Posted by bengalfan50
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
2467 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:28 pm to
LSU was a title IX waste land for decades under DD as place holder/coach. When she hired the assistant from Georgia she was instantly elevated to great coach. DD has collect 40 years of checks and never earned a dime until she made a great hire.
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2900 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 12:58 pm to
LSU was a title IX waste land for decades under DD as place holder/coach. When she hired the assistant from Georgia she was instantly elevated to great coach. DD has collect 40 years of checks and never earned a dime until she made a great hire

valid point, although I would pint out Bama and UGA won 12 NC's since 1982 when NCAA Gym began and when their AD's included Vince Dooley and The Bear..so other football dominate programs won at women's sports way before us, just as LSU did again and again in Track. TN in WB, UGA in Women's tennis etc etc But I do give DD credit for hiring because we did not ever ever win SEC before that...38 mostly wasted years...
Posted by texastigerr
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
8305 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 1:18 pm to
Don't we usually beat Alabama in conference meets? They are a blue blood gymnastics program? Never thought that. Never knew that.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 1:44 pm to
looking at the roster, it looks like we didn’t pick up that much from last year, and we lost that one awesome beam routine.

I don’t like hearing that next years signing class is the one, considering that Sarah won’t be around for that one.

Will need some people to really step up to win the title this year.
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2900 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:35 pm to
Don't we usually beat Alabama in conference meets? They are a blue blood gymnastics program? Never thought that. Never knew that.

DD's winning % vs Bama, UGA and UF is below 25%...but has gotten much better past few years after Bama and UGA lost their long time coaches.

Versus Auburn, UK and Ark (other 3 SEC programs prior to A&M and MO) she won about 75% so it is really a set of two different levels, believe it or not, Ala won over 100 meets IN A ROW, over Auburn...
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