re: It's clear that this board is now a bastion of anti-O sentiment.

It's not crazy. If you can't get your first choice or someone as good what do you do? If O wins out and LSU gets a Sugar Bowl berth he will be hired I'm afraid; whether you or I like it or not. I have come to terms with that and will accept it. I just don't believe in Jimbo Fisher never have.

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This kind of thinking is the reason LSU largely underachieved for the first 105 years of the program's history.

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I keep thinking back to the heady days of having Saban here. Remember back in 2003 late that year and then 2004 when the rumors were constantly swirling about how every NFL team wanted him? Sure...we were afraid someone was going to come snatch him away, but there was something really great about having a guy so coveted. You knew you had something valuable when it was the envy of nearly everyone else.

Which brings up Orgeron. Does everyone else want him? Does ANYONE else want him? I may be mistaken, but after his stint as SC's interim, it wasn't just that SC failed to offer him their program, no one else did either. Am I wrong? Did someone step up with a HC job in the wake of his success at SC and he turned them down? And if that's true...WTF would he do that if he wanted to be the head man somewhere? And now...prior to Miles being let go after game 4, was any team in the country biding their time to snatch up our DL coach as their next HC? If LSU thinks long term and goes with a more proven HC and one with far more potential, does anyone REALLY think Orgeron is going to have his pick of schools offering their top spots?

None of that...AT ALL...suggests I dislike the man or want LSU to ever lose a game with him at the helm. If LSU gives him the whistle, I'll be disappointed but I'll support him as vigorously as I supported Miles.

In the meantime, I'm going to make my voice heard, or at least add it to the chorus for what it's worth, that as a long time season ticket holder and booster I am not in support of the decision to hire Orgeron as the next Head Coach at LSU.

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. The anti-O crowd will take to the streets burning cars and breaking windows in the state capital

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This is how I picture the neverOers. They think they are smarter than everyone else but when O is hired will throw infantile tantrums everywhere.

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They think they are smarter than everyone else but when O is hired will throw infantile tantrums everywhere.

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None of that...AT ALL...suggests I dislike the man or want LSU to ever lose a game with him at the helm. If LSU gives him the whistle, I'll be disappointed but I'll support him as vigorously as I supported Miles.

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I mean, I'm telling you what I think about this, but instead you've decided to speculate on the motives of posters like myself and then speculate again based on the initial speculation to forcast future events.

Seems it would be easier just to listen, but it's up to you.

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Ok, let's credit the coordinators, but the anti-Os can't give him credit for LEARNING HIS LESSON FROM OLE MISS AND LETTING THEM!

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How do we really know that he did? By the time we find out we may not like the true answers and it will be too late for the damage to be avoided.

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I keep thinking back to the heady days of having Saban here. Remember back in 2003 late that year and then 2004 when the rumors were constantly swirling about how every NFL team wanted him? Sure...we were afraid someone was going to come snatch him away, but there was something really great about having a guy so coveted. You knew you had something valuable when it was the envy of nearly everyone else. Which brings up Orgeron. Does everyone else want him? Does ANYONE else want him? I may be mistaken, but after his stint as SC's interim, it wasn't just that SC failed to offer him their program, no one else did either. Am I wrong? Did someone step up with a HC job in the wake of his success at SC and he turned them down? And if that's true...WTF would he do that if he wanted to be the head man somewhere? And now...prior to Miles being let go after game 4, was any team in the country biding their time to snatch up our DL coach as their next HC? If LSU thinks long term and goes with a more proven HC and one with far more potential, does anyone REALLY think Orgeron is going to have his pick of schools offering their top spots? None of that...AT ALL...suggests I dislike the man or want LSU to ever lose a game with him at the helm. If LSU gives him the whistle, I'll be disappointed but I'll support him as vigorously as I supported Miles. In the meantime, I'm going to make my voice heard, or at least add it to the chorus for what it's worth, that as a long time season ticket holder and booster I am not in support of the decision to hire Orgeron as the next Head Coach at LSU.

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As a DL coach and recruiter he is highly thought of. As a HC, not very much at all. Just the simple truth. He would have been a bad fit culturally for So. Calif anyway so it was good in the long run for him that he did not get that job. I don't think we need much explaining on why he was not a great fit for Los Angeles.

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But FWIW outside of La., the recruiting world and his coaching connections he is not thought of very highly. Just saying...

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Not sure what kind of point you are making here. Is he in the running for man of the year? Who gives a shite. Saban is a royal arse prick that many can't stand. The media hate Belicheck. They are coaches I only care about the results on the field and not disgracing the school. What does what is thought outside of football have to do with O. He hasn't wrecked his motorcycle with a broad on the back has he? He hasn't fallen down drunk (in a long time) has he? Nor has he shown up to function shite faced or has he? Not sure what you getting at on this one buddy.

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But Fisher and Herman have never had to learn from their failures.

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Nothing personal, but the implication of this attitude burns me up. It must be wonderful to go through life without ever making a mistake. Are those who insist on holding Ole Miss against the guy perfect themselves? Have any of them ever failed or looked in a mirror? Do they think it's impossible to learn?

I deservedly got fired from what I thought at the time was the best job I would ever have. I've since gotten two better ones and I have no doubt I'm better at what I do than I was when I was fired.

But people who have never experienced any failure just automatically assume that someone who has is some kind of second-class citizen. Without knowing all the details and circumstances, instead of just what's on the surface, it's impossible to form an accurate opinion of why something didn't work out.

That's why I'm glad the denizens on this board aren't making the decision. I really don't care who gets the job. I just hope Alleva learns everything and considers everything he has to in order to make a good decision. If he uses some knee-jerk and/or popular opinion reason for excluding ANYBODY, then he will not have done his due diligence. And that will make him no better than the screaming meemies on both sides of this issue.

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I view most O supporters as football fans that couldn't tell me what 1st and 10 is.

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I like Orgeron and I know what a smash concept is. Do you?

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O supporters might feel shouted down because they can't answer simple questions, like why should LSU be the proving grounds that O has changed? Or why O did worse than both his predecessor and successor? Or what exactly did O learn from his time as a terrible head coach?

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I think his coaching record at USC and LSU has been the "proving grounds."
Assuming you're talking about Ole Miss, if you think O is the same coach he was at Ole Miss, you have no idea what is going on.
According to him in press conferences, he has learned to let his assistants coach. He's calmed down from being overemotional. learned how a practice should be run from his time at USC.