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It isnt a Canada, or Aranda problem
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:49 am
These guys have no program to work within. O has not implemented the conditioning, the film study, or the practice structure for these guys to succeed.
If you dont believe that, I dont know what to tell you.
O is 100% to blame.
Look at history. Canada and Aranda have been successful everywhere they have been. O never. Teams or in as good or better shape when they leave, with O the teams are in shambles.
The only hope we have as a team is that Aranda and Canada are given the reins, and that probably isnt happening.
A team without the structure in place in every aspect is going to fail. I would imagine West Monroe High School has a better program than O is running.
If you dont believe that, I dont know what to tell you.
O is 100% to blame.
Look at history. Canada and Aranda have been successful everywhere they have been. O never. Teams or in as good or better shape when they leave, with O the teams are in shambles.
The only hope we have as a team is that Aranda and Canada are given the reins, and that probably isnt happening.
A team without the structure in place in every aspect is going to fail. I would imagine West Monroe High School has a better program than O is running.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:51 am to tigerfoot
Rantards will be here shortly to tell us everyone needs to go from this coaching staff because it's a "cancer."
Even though they have had immense success at other programs that will likely continue if they choose to move away from LSU.
There are a bunch of brainless zombies on this board.
Even though they have had immense success at other programs that will likely continue if they choose to move away from LSU.
There are a bunch of brainless zombies on this board.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:54 am to OKtiger
You are truly an idiot, and I think O is terrible.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:55 am to tigerfoot
No coordinator is perfect. I get that.
But it's hard to reconcile that two accomplished coordinators could simultaneously fail this miserably without outside "help."
But it's hard to reconcile that two accomplished coordinators could simultaneously fail this miserably without outside "help."
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:57 am to tigerfoot
Personally I think a huge problem is the players aren't playing hard for Coach O. When your head coach looks like a lost child looking for his mom on the sidelines and has no idea wth he's doing your players aren't going to play hard. The people can make all the excuses in the world about how thin LSU is on the lines but LSU just lost to f'ing Troy. There is no excuse to getting dominated by Troy at LSU.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:05 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
They have not only lost to Troy but been absolutely manhandled on the lines by MSU, Syracuse and now Troy. That is Hallman level bad.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:47 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
quote:this play hard shite needs to die. Playing hard happens when you know you are prepared. It isn't a rah rah deal
I think a huge problem is the players aren't playing hard for Coach O
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:49 pm to tigerfoot
And who’s to blame for O? Alleva...fire the problem or you’ll get the same results.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:13 pm to beachbum
Alleva should be run, but O intentionally did harm to the whole state. He knew he would put it in the ditch. Alleva is just the victim of the con.
He should be fired for giving him a contract like he did.
He should be fired for giving him a contract like he did.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:24 pm to tigerfoot
quote:tigerfoot laying down some truth in this thread. Btw, Coach Eauxf's answer today was basically to "step up" aka play harder. #WeFricked
this play hard shite needs to die. Playing hard happens when you know you are prepared. It isn't a rah rah deal
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:28 pm to tigerfoot
Canada and Aranda are getting paid huge sums of money. Either could have said something either straight out or through some sort of leak that things weren't going good. Instead we got a snow job about how awesome we were and how we were going to dominate.
Sorry but they should have done more to ensure we were ready. They're paid more than normal due to having a coach who needed training wheels. They fell down on the job IMO. Perhaps it will come out later that they did a lot to sound the siren and then I'll accept they had no culpability, but for now they're in it with O.
Sorry but they should have done more to ensure we were ready. They're paid more than normal due to having a coach who needed training wheels. They fell down on the job IMO. Perhaps it will come out later that they did a lot to sound the siren and then I'll accept they had no culpability, but for now they're in it with O.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:28 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
No coordinator is perfect. I get that.
But it's hard to reconcile that two accomplished coordinators could simultaneously fail this miserably without outside "help."
It almost makes you wonder if the talent/experience level of players they have to work with may be a problem, no?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:29 pm to moneyg
quote:
It almost makes you wonder if the talent/experience level of players they have to work with may be a problem, no?
No.
Relative to what we're seeing on the field that hardly begins to 'splain it.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:40 pm to drdoct
quote:Has there been any comments from them lately?
Either could have said something either straight out or through some sort of leak that things weren't going good. Instead we got a snow job about how awesome we were and how we were going to dominate.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:44 pm to tigerfoot
WATCH OUT! you will have clowns here show up and tell you canada is dogshit! it is the same clowns who blamed jimbo, crowton, stud and cam instead of you know who!
Posted on 10/2/17 at 4:58 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
No.
Relative to what we're seeing on the field that hardly begins to 'splain it.
That's a big part of it.
Should we be losing to Troy? No.
But, the performance against Syracuse was predictable. The performance at Mississippi State was also predictable.
Accepting that we have very real personnel issues doesn't force you to think Orgeron is a good coach. I'm not sure why so many people have to ignore the obvious so they can make a case against Orgeron. The case against Orgeron writes itself.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 5:42 pm to tigerfoot
Indeed. The coordinators submit game plans to the HC and he redlines them. The strategy and tactics for each game are his call. Thus, it is true that this is Canada's offense, but it is cut and pasted by Orgeron, to his satisfaction.
Canada's hands are absolutely tied by Orgeron. Canada, cocky, flippant, headstrong man that he is, strains against Orgeron's authoritarian persona.
Orgeron has nothing to lose, at this point, by handing all responsibility for the offense off to Canada, letting him rise or fall on his own merits. He should communicate his intent to both Canada and Aleva.
Meanwhile, he can line up Canada's replacement, just in case. Last time i checked, Orgeron's old buddy Hugh Freeze is looking for work. Get the band back together.
Regardless, Orgeron needs to let his $1.5mm goldenboy OC do his own gameplanning and play-calling.
Just do it.
Canada's hands are absolutely tied by Orgeron. Canada, cocky, flippant, headstrong man that he is, strains against Orgeron's authoritarian persona.
Orgeron has nothing to lose, at this point, by handing all responsibility for the offense off to Canada, letting him rise or fall on his own merits. He should communicate his intent to both Canada and Aleva.
Meanwhile, he can line up Canada's replacement, just in case. Last time i checked, Orgeron's old buddy Hugh Freeze is looking for work. Get the band back together.
Regardless, Orgeron needs to let his $1.5mm goldenboy OC do his own gameplanning and play-calling.
Just do it.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 6:11 pm to moneyg
quote:
The performance at Mississippi State was also predictable.
I don't care to get into a useless argument. But IMO, there is no major talent, depth, experience factor that would result in us getting blown out by a terrible State team.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:59 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
I don't care to get into a useless argument. But IMO, there is no major talent, depth, experience factor that would result in us getting blown out by a terrible State team.
I think you are confusing "we shouldn't have a major depth/talent" issue that would result in us getting blown out with "we don't have a major depth/talent" issue that resulted in us getting blown out.
If you watched that game, we were getting dominated at the LOS. If you didn't notice that, watch it again. Lawrence couldn't play. Alexander got hurt early. Gilmore had to play way too many snaps and he's not that talented to begin with. In addition, Chaisson is extremely light on the edge...and our LBs were destroyed in the running game.
On offense, we couldn't protect at all, and except for one drive, we really couldn't run the ball.
That results in a blowout.
If LSU were completely healthy, we'd probably have enough on the DL to be above average. But, we definitely weren't healthy then, and we still aren't healthy. When we get Lawrence, Herron, and Alexander back, we'll be at our best...whatever that is. I expect the defense will make significant improvement at that point.
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