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re: It all starts with the QB
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:33 pm to STRIPES
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:33 pm to STRIPES
This really is a frustrating post.
The team is not put in the best position to utilize their talents. Period.
The play calling does the offense no favors. It is often backwards and there is not enough prep or creativity.
The team is not put in the best position to utilize their talents. Period.
The play calling does the offense no favors. It is often backwards and there is not enough prep or creativity.
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:33 pm to Jwho77
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shitty offensive approach. Play decent defenses with decent talent, get eaten alive. When the other team knows your plays by formation and personnel, your talent better be overwhelming. If not, see November for LSU.
UF?
The offensive approach changed last night. 59 rushing yards, 271 passing yards. This isn't the same offense from the beginning of the season.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:39 pm to dgnx6
So, we essentially are starting a redshirt freshman with very limited pass attempts...Now he is asked to throw more because tougher defenses are keying on our running game and is inconsistent...shocking!! but that is his fault...that is not taking advantage of the earlier season games to get him ready for the SEC gauntlet we are running through...
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:39 pm to HMTVBrian2
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. It's the offensive philosophy that is the problem
When has LSU not been a running team? They weren't running spread offense under dinardo or saban. LSU is the only sec team to have a 3000 yard passer, two 1k yard receivers and a 1k yard back.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:41 pm to LSUGoo
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Now he is asked to throw more because tougher defenses are keying on our running game and is inconsistent...shocking!! but that is his fault...that is not taking advantage of the earlier season games to get him ready for the SEC gauntlet we are running through...
Lol, Arkansas came in with the 14th ranked defense in the sec. Tougher defense my arse.
LSU threw the ball 35 times and rushed it 30. 8 of those were from Harris for -44 yards.
LSU slings the ball around and fans still bitch.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:48 pm to dgnx6
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LSU slings the ball around and fans still bitch.
21-35 for 271 yds is pretty good... I don't blame Harris at all... Its all about coaching...
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:53 pm to dukke v
how many passes per game has Harris averaged prior to the Bama game? Without researching it would have to be one of the lowest in the country, not to mention the SEC, but you are expecting a seasoned veteran...These are the growing pains he should have experienced last season, but that was partly his fault...
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:54 pm to beauchristopher
Yeah, Harris would excell in the right system if he was back in high school. He doesn't have SEC caliber skills. He has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Sure he would be great in any system that has 2-3 years to teach him how to throw a 10 yard pass to a wide open receiver without overthrowing him by 10 yards. LOL.
What Harris is missing is what he should have had prior to getting here. In addition, Harris went to the QB camp/school in L.A. and was coached by some of the best QB coaches around yet he still can't throw a pass which every high school QB should be able to throw.
I wonder how much coaching time Hugh Freeze is going to spend on Shea Patterson teaching him to throw a 10 yard out?
It' s laughable that after 2 years at LSU a QB can't throw a basic pass which is required to run damn near any offense on the high school level. As I said before, I blame LSU coaches for recruiting this type of player. If the players are not capable of throwing this pass now then they couldn't when they were being recruited either. That is where the screw ups are with LSU coaches in the QB recruiting.
What Harris is missing is what he should have had prior to getting here. In addition, Harris went to the QB camp/school in L.A. and was coached by some of the best QB coaches around yet he still can't throw a pass which every high school QB should be able to throw.
I wonder how much coaching time Hugh Freeze is going to spend on Shea Patterson teaching him to throw a 10 yard out?
It' s laughable that after 2 years at LSU a QB can't throw a basic pass which is required to run damn near any offense on the high school level. As I said before, I blame LSU coaches for recruiting this type of player. If the players are not capable of throwing this pass now then they couldn't when they were being recruited either. That is where the screw ups are with LSU coaches in the QB recruiting.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:57 pm to STRIPES
quote:Nope. Line of scrimmage conference. And our OL, for whatever reason, is playing like crap.
It all starts with the QB
Inconsistent play against average teams (syracuse, etc). We thought we were seeing that. Now against good teams it's showing. Have some good plays, followed by a whiff, missed assignment, pushed back 3yds, penalty, etc. Makes life miserable for backfield and sustained drives a near impossibility.
With that type of line play, LSU's style won't work. Have to live and die by the big play (especially when Steele's D is giving up big plays consistently). I like old man football, especially with LF7, but it can't work like this.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:59 pm to DhanTigers212
When your offensive line isn't playing well you have to go to a short passing game that can neutralize the defense. Oline isn't play well, the defense has 8 in the box so what does LSU do? Run it anyway and when they do pass, it's a play that takes 8 seconds to develop. That's a gameplan problem.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:02 pm to dukke v
Don't forget that you are overlooking Harris fumbling away the ball and giving Arkansas TD. There is more than just inaccurate passing involved. The lack of leadership and knowing when and where to throw the ball away is something Harris is woefull at.
In addition, many if his completions came when Arkansas had a commanding lead and was playing very soft coverage. Just like last year when Harris came in against Miss State and threw a couple of TDs in mop up time. It looks good on paper but the reality is much more revealing than a stat sheet.
In addition, many if his completions came when Arkansas had a commanding lead and was playing very soft coverage. Just like last year when Harris came in against Miss State and threw a couple of TDs in mop up time. It looks good on paper but the reality is much more revealing than a stat sheet.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:24 pm to STRIPES
STRIPES thx for saving me a lot of typing. You are 100% correct. I noticed this before the Bama game when the OL was still playing decently.
BH is a thrower not passer. He is not a move the chains type QB because he cant hit the short and over the middle stuff. Often on short throws he absolutely smokes it when it requires touch.
And if we didnt have Dural and Dupre making amazing catches on tossups we wouldnt even be talking about that part of the game.
He's a good kid who hit his ceiling in HS, much like Manziel did at aTm. Having our coaching staff really didnt give him any chance to overcome his obvious limitations.
But considering Franks possibly will not come, he will be our best hope next year. Another year under the Wizard of Hat probably won't mean much improvement.
BH is a thrower not passer. He is not a move the chains type QB because he cant hit the short and over the middle stuff. Often on short throws he absolutely smokes it when it requires touch.
And if we didnt have Dural and Dupre making amazing catches on tossups we wouldnt even be talking about that part of the game.
He's a good kid who hit his ceiling in HS, much like Manziel did at aTm. Having our coaching staff really didnt give him any chance to overcome his obvious limitations.
But considering Franks possibly will not come, he will be our best hope next year. Another year under the Wizard of Hat probably won't mean much improvement.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:58 pm to beauchristopher
Exactly. Harris, just like all of LSUs failed QBs, were highly rated recruits. We thought JL sucked. We thought JJ sucked. Hatch sucked. We thought Jennings sucked. Now we think BH sucks. Hell even Mett sucked in 2012 and needed two NFL WRs and an NFL RB to have a good, middle of the pack offense in 2013 that still couldn't score on Bama.
So tell me again how it's just the QB that's the problem. Every year and every QB since 2007.
I'll even say this--the offense in 2005 and 2006 underachieved considering the talent.
So tell me again how it's just the QB that's the problem. Every year and every QB since 2007.
I'll even say this--the offense in 2005 and 2006 underachieved considering the talent.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:21 pm to STRIPES
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Harris simply is not the answer.
Im going to assume you're wearing STRIPES in prison for being the dumazz your posts suggests you are.
The system as it stands wont allow Harris to be the answer.....or ANY other QB for that matter. Are you so blind you cannot see this?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:23 pm to STRIPES
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Don't forget that you are overlooking Harris fumbling away the ball and giving Arkansas TD
BECAUSE....you brainless dolt, he was running for his life!
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:23 pm to STRIPES
So you're saying Les is to blame for not recruiting Dak as a QB? I agree
I also think Harris will be fine and has all the tools. But the LSU offensive philosophy is just plain bad.
I also think Harris will be fine and has all the tools. But the LSU offensive philosophy is just plain bad.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:25 pm to STRIPES
I agree 100% with the OP. Before the season and even early this year people were saying Harris was a Heisman contender and an amazing QB
He's an ok QB and a good bus driver, but is he a game changer?
If there were a minute on the clock and we had the ball at our own 20 down by 6, is he the type that you think "oh we got this".
The answer is no. He's JJ 2.0. Plain and simple
He's an ok QB and a good bus driver, but is he a game changer?
If there were a minute on the clock and we had the ball at our own 20 down by 6, is he the type that you think "oh we got this".
The answer is no. He's JJ 2.0. Plain and simple
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:26 pm to MetTiger
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But considering Franks possibly will not come
NO ONE.....NO ONE wants to come here and be under-coached and under-utilized.
Is it really that hard for you mental midgets to understand??
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:27 pm to dallastiger55
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Before the season and even early this year people were saying Harris was a Heisman contender and an amazing QB
Yea Ima need a link. You are completely full of shite or don't understand message board jest/optimism.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:29 pm to cas4t
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You are completely full of shite
this has my vote.
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