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re: Is there any reason in keeping Johnny Jones for another year?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:18 pm to roscoe mike
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:18 pm to roscoe mike
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At this point it's pretty obvious the Jones hire is a train wreck.
This is not true at all. I agree he should be fired, but he has left LSU Mens Basketball in MUCH better condition than the way he found it. I liken him to Dinardo. Good recruiter, got momentum back, not a good X and O coach, and fell on their face with very good talent in their last year(s).
He has improved every year since he’s been here before 2015/2016 season.
Trent Johnson left this program in rags. Johnny has gone from no tournament, to NIT, to NCAA the previous 3 years. He has drastically improved talent and momentum around the program.
To call this a “train wreck” is bullshite. This season was a complete flop, but his tenure has certainly not been. He needs to leave, but he leaves having improved LSU basketball.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:24 pm to YouAre8Up
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That movie played out already last November.
There are basically no parallels between the Johnny Jones situation and the Les Miles situation besides the fact they both coach at LSU.
One has a national title and 3 SEC titles, is a media darling, has top 5 recruiting classes annually, and had a MASSIVE buyout and MASSIVE salary. The other is completely destroyed by the media, has accomplished nothing of substance at LSU, and has a cheap buyout and salary relatively speaking.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:27 pm to TheCaterpillar
but Jones has daddy dale and ct backing him. Plus the budget crisis with a bitch of a president that hates sports. King isn't going to let LSU sports get better under his watch by spending money. If he does that then people will cry that LSU has too much money and he wont get the bloated budget that he wants.
LSU needs to be cleansed of F. King so its academics and sports can improve.
LSU needs to be cleansed of F. King so its academics and sports can improve.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:31 pm to TheCaterpillar
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This is not true at all. I agree he should be fired, but he has left LSU Mens Basketball in MUCH better condition than the way he found it. I liken him to Dinardo. Good recruiter, got momentum back, not a good X and O coach, and fell on their face with very good talent in their last year(s).
I couldn't agree more. I think the next coach will be a big name just going by who has recently been hired in the SEC. When Johnny Jones was hired SEC teams weren't putting the resources in basketball to go get an Avery Johnson or Ben Howland or Rick Barnes. The SEC is actually starting to care about basketball which outside of Kentucky every team has historically underachieved for what they could do given the proper effort.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:32 pm to roscoe mike
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At this point it's pretty obvious the Jones hire is a train wreck. And those that lobbied for his cause should admit they were wrong.
Just more fodder to fire Alleva. I don't know how much else you need but it's just laughable at this point.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:36 pm to Giantkiller
A bench coach would make more sense than firing the best recruiter LSU basketball has ever had.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:40 pm to RonBurgundy
He is not a great recruiter Simmons came because of dad's friend and Blakely because of Simmons.Dale was better at this by a mile
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:56 pm to roscoe mike
quote:And yet one wonders if a younger unknown coach had come in and was not able to recruit elite players but had CJJ's record because of superior coaching if the reaction would be the same. What causes me to be ready for CJJ to go is the total lack of effort all too often by this team. I will support lesser talented players giving 100% but couldn't support this train wreck the way I wanted to.
At this point it's pretty obvious the Jones hire is a train wreck. And those that lobbied for his cause should admit they were wrong.
Hiring a bench coach never works. The head coach, as we have also seen in football, has too much power and doesn't have to listen to input from assistants.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:28 pm to Tom Bronco
The athletic department needs to make the commitment to having a championship level program. It's the second highest revenue generating sport on campus. Other schools in the sec are making big time financial commitments to basketball with coaching hires and new arenas. We better keep up with the joneses and get rid of ours
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:52 pm to Sandtrap
" If this team is coached by a good coach, it's ranked in the top-20 easily "
This is laughable.........No pg on entire roster,only 2 post players with one being Simmons who's not a true post, the other being Victor who can not stay in the game without getting in bad position and fouling. To top that off this is the worst group of defenders ever assembled. Now I want JJ gone.... but this is not accurate IMO.
This is laughable.........No pg on entire roster,only 2 post players with one being Simmons who's not a true post, the other being Victor who can not stay in the game without getting in bad position and fouling. To top that off this is the worst group of defenders ever assembled. Now I want JJ gone.... but this is not accurate IMO.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:05 pm to rilesrick
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This is laughable.........No pg on entire roster,only 2 post players with one being Simmons who's not a true post, the other being Victor who can not stay in the game without getting in bad position and fouling. To top that off this is the worst group of defenders ever assembled. Now I want JJ gone.... but this is not accurate IMO.
So true. You have a very good 2 in Blakeney a great 3 in Simmons and a very good 4 in Victor. The problem is you don't have a true 1 or 5 causing these three players that would be great together at their proper positions play out of position.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:07 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Good recruiter, got momentum back, not a good X and O coach, and fell on their face with very good talent in their last year(s).
Reminds me of JJ's mentor.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:15 pm to jonboy
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Reminds me of JJ's mentor.
JJ's mentor went to 2 final fours, won SEC championships, and was at least in the discussion every year. Did he underachieve with some very talented teams yes but you can say that about any coach in any sport that coached as long as he did. It amazes me how a program that really doesn't have much in it's history to be proud of has fans that routinely put down the best coach in that history.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:17 pm to TheCaterpillar
Honest question for you, which I posed on Saturday. Assuming Jones keeps his job next year (high probability), can we agree that he is on the hot seat and will likely be canned if he doesn't make the NCAAT next year? (again, I would say it is more likely than not we do not make the Dance next year even if AB comes back, which is a question).
How hard is it going to be to recruit for 17-18 season, when there is a high probability Jones is a lame duck coach in 16-17? If so, I think it's a valid concern of what the roster will look like with a new coach in 2017-18?
Will the roster in 2017-18 that Johnny leaves LSU with after his likely firing be significantly better than the 2012-13 roster he had his first year which had Carmouche, Hickey, JOB, and Stringer?
We have no way of knowing of course at this time, but that roster did have an NBA player on it.
I think Johnny should be fired after this season because I think he has shown he cannot win a NCAA Tourney game when he has NBA talent. I don't think giving him one year will help our program and in fact, I think it could put us in a big hole in 2017-2018 for the new coach.
How hard is it going to be to recruit for 17-18 season, when there is a high probability Jones is a lame duck coach in 16-17? If so, I think it's a valid concern of what the roster will look like with a new coach in 2017-18?
Will the roster in 2017-18 that Johnny leaves LSU with after his likely firing be significantly better than the 2012-13 roster he had his first year which had Carmouche, Hickey, JOB, and Stringer?
We have no way of knowing of course at this time, but that roster did have an NBA player on it.
I think Johnny should be fired after this season because I think he has shown he cannot win a NCAA Tourney game when he has NBA talent. I don't think giving him one year will help our program and in fact, I think it could put us in a big hole in 2017-2018 for the new coach.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:18 pm to RonBurgundy
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A bench coach would make more sense than firing the best recruiter LSU basketball has ever had.
At this point, it's useless when their input isn't valued by ole Johnny.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:31 pm to rilesrick
If you don't think this team would be in the top-20 with a better coach, then you need to take a better look at the schedule. With a better coach, we at least have 5 or 6 more wins on the schedule at least. NC State, Wake Forest, College of Charleston, Houston, Marquette, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Alabama at home were all games we would have won, but if LSU just wins 5 of those we are sitting at 23-8. With that record, we'd be a top-20 team which is where we should be. Hell, even 3 or 4 more wins and we'd be ranked.
The amount of excuses and passes people are giving LSU Basketball right now is sad. This program isn't good right now and it's not because of the talent...
The amount of excuses and passes people are giving LSU Basketball right now is sad. This program isn't good right now and it's not because of the talent...
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:35 pm to Sandtrap
Fire Jones and who's going to convince Shaq to send his son to LSU? The state is loaded in talent the next two years. LSU would be firing it's best recruiter and who knows if another coach could bring in the same talent to BR.
Also, in before Jones hasn't done anything with the talent. I'd rather have the talent coming in consistently then miss out on them the next 2-3 years. Plus LSU won't throw out the money to hire a big name coach due to political reasons.
Also, in before Jones hasn't done anything with the talent. I'd rather have the talent coming in consistently then miss out on them the next 2-3 years. Plus LSU won't throw out the money to hire a big name coach due to political reasons.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:42 pm to tzimme4
We have the potential #1 overall pick and what do we have to show for it??Furthermore, Johnny Jones has been here 4 years and what does he have to show for it?? The he same winning percentage he had at North Texas...
If the basketball program is content with going to the tournament 1 out of every 4 years, then keep Jones. All I'm trying to say is that if LSU basketball is to be better than it had been the past 10 years, we need to get rid of Johnny Jones.
If the basketball program is content with going to the tournament 1 out of every 4 years, then keep Jones. All I'm trying to say is that if LSU basketball is to be better than it had been the past 10 years, we need to get rid of Johnny Jones.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:44 pm to Sandtrap
With this supreme logic John Wooden would have never made it either.
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