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re: Is ND that much better with Freeman??
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:32 am to iBack8569
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:32 am to iBack8569
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So in short: Kelly is turning out to be the dud that was holding ND back. Woodward is an idiot shelling out that kind of money for a guy that can’t beat top 10 teams.
Bingo.
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:33 am to wilceaux
quote:Why is this not true exactly? Last night was a better win than Kelly ever had for them. They're saying the best win in 32 years for the Notre Dame program. Their recruiting classes have been way better for three years straight than any of Kellys. The talent level isn't even close when you also take into account portal players acquired. I don't understand why anyone would say that it's not true? Help me understand that.
This just isn't true. It might be in the future, but not right now. I really like Freeman, by the way.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:39 am to iBack8569
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It’s been 3 years since Kelly left ND and Freeman has made them better, while LSU has inexplicably regressed under Kelly since year 1. Freeman’s starting QB is a transfer from fricking Duke.
It's perfectly fine to say that Notre Dame looks good and that Freeman is doing a good job and all, but everyone claiming that Notre Dame as a program is so much better than Notre Dame as a program under Kelly is just dumb.
Kelly left a 1 loss team that was ranked #5 at the end of the regular season.
Freeman had a 1 loss team that was ranked #5 at the end of the regular season.
Now, the narrative can change if Freeman gets a win over Penn State next week, but until Freeman and Notre Dame eclipse what Kelly did, Notre Dame is what it was under Kelly.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:40 am to Alt26
Very well stated and articulated
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:40 am to tiger9394
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Their recruiting classes have been way better for three years straight than any of Kellys
You must not keep up with recruiting, because this isn’t true.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:44 am to tiger9394
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Why is this not true exactly?
Because they haven't accomplished anything that Kelly didn't, yet. I agree they are going in the right direction. They are recruiting slightly better, but that is also due to the change in AD and NIL.
Again, they are doing well. I'm just not ready to crown them. Time will tell.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:46 am to tiger9394
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Why is this not true exactly? Last night was a better win than Kelly ever had for them. They're saying the best win in 32 years for the Notre Dame program. Their recruiting classes have been way better for three years straight than any of Kellys. The talent level isn't even close when you also take into account portal players acquired. I don't understand why anyone would say that it's not true? Help me understand that.
It's not worth your time. Some LSU fans can't see the light and are bending over backwards with excuse-making for Kelly, the king of all excuse-makers. The guy who came here because LSU had "everything he needed" and was "aligned" to win it all. Now, Kelly is shifting the goal posts - LSU needs more money, LSU fans need to put up money, LSU needs more uniform combinations, LSU needs...
I also laugh at our fans dogging ND's schedule. Do they even realize who begged and set up those ND schedules? Brian Kelly. Because he couldn't beat top teams.
So just STFU and earn your $100 million salary on the field. Or admit you're a phony with a fake accent and move back north.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:49 am to LikeMike02
Two things can be true.
Kelly may have needed a change. Perhaps ND is benefiting from the juice of Freeman and LSU is benefiting from the structure and program of Kelly.
Both programs can be successful. Kelly spent a long time at Notre Dame and had much success. They are in good shape because of him. LSU is in better shape today than when Kelly arrived. I am grateful.
Kelly may have needed a change. Perhaps ND is benefiting from the juice of Freeman and LSU is benefiting from the structure and program of Kelly.
Both programs can be successful. Kelly spent a long time at Notre Dame and had much success. They are in good shape because of him. LSU is in better shape today than when Kelly arrived. I am grateful.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:50 am to AlGoldenDomer
Now take Kelly out of the equation and where would ND be right now?
Kelly is the reason Freeman is even there!
Freeman is driving the car Kelly customized.
Kelly is the reason Freeman is even there!
Freeman is driving the car Kelly customized.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:51 am to Brendoni
quote:That's an interesting perspective. Take a look at the classes kelly was signing up until 2020, and then look at how much they jumped talent wise once Freeman took over. He has signed the number 7 class and the number 9 class two out of three years, number 12 the other year. Two top ten classes in three years. I think Kelly cracked the top ten twice maybe in his entire time there? Early on Kelly had a couple good classes similar to Freeman's, but the last few years was signing weak classes. Not sure where you're getting your recruiting info but let me know what I might be missing.
You must not keep up with recruiting, because this isn’t true.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:54 am to ElCaptain
I think that Notre Dame is about as good as they have been in recent years, meaning very good but not great. The main difference in these games is that there is no truly dominant team this year from the SEC. Several good but not truly great teams. I think that Ohio State is also about where they normally are, meaning very good and possibly great. Georgia and Notre Dame were pretty evenly matched and Notre Dame made the plays when they needed them while Georgia make a lot of key mistakes. None of that means Freeman is better than Kelly. And with the transfer portal, anyone can go from pretty good to great in one season if the guys they bring in all work out well.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:55 am to tiger9394
That’s not what you said
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:01 am to BDoubleEZ
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Yesterday reminded me how much losing Denbrock hurt us
We must have been watching different games, lol, because both offenses were bad.
Notre Dame won because Kirby was too aggressive at the end of the first half with a 1st time starting QB.
The game went from 6-3 to 20-3 in 3 plays:
Stockton fumble (when UGA should have just been running clock to take 3 point margin into halftime).
Notre Dame quick slant TD
Notre Dame kickoff return TD
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:04 am to bayoujd
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Some LSU fans can't see the light and are bending over backwards with excuse-making for Kelly, the king of all excuse-makers.
You are doing the same, just in reverse, with your disdain for Kelly.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:05 am to bayoujd
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I also laugh at our fans dogging ND's schedule. Do they even realize who begged and set up those ND schedules? Brian Kelly. Because he couldn't beat top teams.
Good lord.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:07 am to LikeMike02
ND beat a team with a QB that started his first game.
They couldn’t move the ball at all and QB only threw for 80 yards.
They couldn’t move the ball at all and QB only threw for 80 yards.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:09 am to LikeMike02
Under the current format, Kelly would've made the playoffs between 4 and 6 additional times.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:10 am to BDoubleEZ
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Yesterday reminded me how much losing Denbrock hurt us.
what did Notre Dame do on offense schematically that impressed you?
240 total yards
15/24 for 90 yards passing (3.8 ypa)
35 carries for 150 yards rushing
4/14 on third down
They had 2 drives that went for more than 40 yards the entire game. One of those ended up in a punt, the other on a FG. Their 2 TDs came on a kickoff return and a drive that started on the UGA 13 yard line after a turnover.
Their offense was very poor last night.
What was impressive about their team was their defense
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:14 am to tiger9394
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Why is this not true exactly? Last night was a better win than Kelly ever had for them. They're saying the best win in 32 years for the Notre Dame program. Their recruiting classes have been way better for three years straight than any of Kellys. The talent level isn't even close when you also take into account portal players acquired. I don't understand why anyone would say that it's not true? Help me understand that.
Because most of this isn't true?
Beating 2 loss Georgia with a backup quarterback is their best win?
Their recruiting classes have been better but not "way better."
Notre Dame fans have some sour grapes over BK leaving, that's just the truth.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:15 am to wilceaux
quote:To be fair Freeman has now won two playoff games, Kelly never won any. Kelly never beat a powerhouse like Georgia either. I think his best win was like 13 years ago against a pretty good Oklahoma? I'm not sure though.
Because they haven't accomplished anything that Kelly didn't, yet.
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