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re: Is Mainieri on the hot seat for next year?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:13 pm to TJG210
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:13 pm to TJG210
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Why isn't that a good idea?
Oh I don't know....lets see.....if you tell Maineri that do you suppose that would magically help our hitting get better? Doubtful at best....also do you think the man is going to put his best foot forward with that "STELLAR" vote of confidence? Hell No.
If you want him fired go for it.....but to do what you said is ludicrous.
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:15 pm to bayoubengal225
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Get rid of his arse...
If you are going to say this I need a plan after said firing....the firing of a man is not the solution to a problem.....the solution comes after the firing.
LSU has done wonders firing people.....see John Brady/Trent Johnson.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:15 pm to LSU316
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Did you write off the football SEC championship as well?
Considering my prior statement:
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I just cannot understand why people think the measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship. This isn't basketball or football, where that is unquestionably a successful metric.
Can you not read or are you purposefully being ignorant?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:17 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Kentucky basketball
So what you are telling me is that if Cal doesn't win another title by 2015 then Kentucky will fire him...even if he has won the SEC at least once in those three years and made it to an elite 8? Chances are he better put his house on the market in that case.
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Alabama football
Again.....if Bama doesn't win another BCS title by 2015 you are saying that Saban is gone? I'd take that bet.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:18 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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If that was the case, Mike DuBose and Tubby Smith would still be coaching there.
neither won the SEC the year they were fired. Bad analogy. Winning the SEC isn't the only measure, but it should always be an important one. PM is not in any danger, nor should he be, of losing his job after this season.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:19 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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This isn't basketball or football, where that is unquestionably a successful metric.
Why is it a questionable measurement in baseball???
Is the SEC not the best conference in the country?? We aren't talking about Conf USA here.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:23 pm to LSU316
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.even if he has won the SEC at least once in those three years and made it to an elite 8?
Will he miss the tournament, not get out of the round of 32, and choke in the sweet sixteen in the subsequent years?
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Again.....if Bama doesn't win another BCS title by 2015 you are saying that Saban is gone? I'd take that bet.
If you don't understand why football is different, you're an idiot. But if Bama isn't in the top 8 in 12, 13, 14, 15.....his seat may get a little warm as well.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:25 pm to Stevo
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PM is not in any danger, nor should he be, of losing his job after this season.
If you are talking about the current season, no one is pushing that, and I'm not sure where you are getting that from. But if he doesn't at least make it to Omaha the conversation needs to start. 4 seasons and no Omaha trip is unacceptable.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:26 pm to LSU316
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neither won the SEC the year they were fired.
For Christ sake, I'm not talking about firing him this year. I'm talking about what happens if he doesn't make Omaha next year (2013).
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So what you are telling me is that if Cal doesn't win another title by 2015 then Kentucky will fire him...even if he has won the SEC at least once in those three years and made it to an elite 8?
Apparently you have a basic arithmetic problem to go with your reading comprehension problem.
First off, my comments have consistently been about what happens if they fail to make Omaha next year, which would be 4 years removed from winning a National Championship. So, in your cute little hypothetical, Kentucky and Calipari would have 4 years from 2012, which would be 2016, not 2015.
Now let me take you example a little further and plug in Mainieri's circumstances to Calipari. Let's assume that in the 4 years after winning a National Championship, Calipari fails to make the tournament once, wins only 1 SEC Championship and makes only 1 Elite Eight. Then, yeah, I'd say there's a pretty good shot Kentucky fires him.
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Chances are he better put his house on the market in that case.
Well that tells me you don't know shite about college basketball and Kentucky's recruiting if you think he won't win another title within the next 4 years.
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Again.....if Bama doesn't win another BCS title by 2015 you are saying that Saban is gone? I'd take that bet.
It's funny that you try to be cute but fail to see the ridiculousness of your own argument, while willfully ignoring the premise of mine.
For both of your ridiculous examples, you fail to account for Mainieri's inability to capitalize on that National Championship as well as what is a noticeable trend downward in terms of talent. No such lack of or drop in talent exists in the examples of Kentucky and Alabama following their title wins. So your attempt to make me look unreasonable really falls apart when logic gets inserted into the discussion.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:32 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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For Christ sake, I'm not talking about firing him this year. I'm talking about what happens if he doesn't make Omaha next year (2013).
he won't be fired under this scenario, unless he finishes below .500. Not making Omaha next year would warm his seat.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:33 pm to Stevo
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he won't be fired under this scenario, unless he finishes below .500. Not making Omaha next year would warm his seat.
Which is what I've said from the very beginning.
ETA: Not just warm it, I think there would be legitimate, justified conversations about whether or not to fire him.
Let's face it, at high profile programs throughout all sports, coaches don't necessarily go "on the hot seat." When you are at a perennial power, you typically find out you are on the hot seat right after you've been fired.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:37 pm to LSUfanaddict
Let' review.
6 seasons
2 SEC titles
3 SEC tourney titles
3 Regional titles
2 Super Regional titles
2 CWS appearances
1 National championship
Yep; that seat's hotter than a $2 pistol.
6 seasons
2 SEC titles
3 SEC tourney titles
3 Regional titles
2 Super Regional titles
2 CWS appearances
1 National championship
Yep; that seat's hotter than a $2 pistol.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:38 pm to RANDY44
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Let' review.
6 seasons
2 SEC titles
3 SEC tourney titles
3 Regional titles
2 Super Regional titles
2 CWS appearances
1 National championship
Yep; that seat's hotter than a $2 pisto
Give me a break with those Regional and Super Regional "titles." Who are we, Ole Miss and Tulane now?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:42 pm to Joe Joe Joe
I'm just curious as to what would be acceptable to you? What would allow you to sleep better at night as it relates to LSU baseball's success?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:42 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Give me a break with those Regional and Super Regional "titles." Who are we, Ole Miss and Tulane now?
Point is, those schools don't have nearly as impressive results since PM took over. You don't have to acknowledge the "titles". No one will give a sh*t one way or the other.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:50 pm to RANDY44
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I'm just curious as to what would be acceptable to you? What would allow you to sleep better at night as it relates to LSU baseball's success?
I have posted my standards many times.
First, LSU should host a regional EVERY year and LSU should play (notice I don't say "host") in a Super Regional every year. To date, that has not happened. Also, you'll notice those goals would require making the tournament every year, something that has also not happened.
Second, LSU should never be in a position where, after 4 years (i.e. one complete cycle of recruiting, developing and coaching kids), they don't make Omaha. I don't care about the parity or the bats or the lack of talent.
First off, LSU should never have a lack of talent such as they did this year. This is especially more damning given the recency of the National Championship. Second, there are maybe 2 other programs in the nation with our resources.
So, yes, some people will say that making Omaha once every 4 years is unrealistic. I don't think it is considering the resources we have. I also know it isn't unrealistic considering the numerous teams that have been multiple times within the last 3 years.
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Point is, those schools don't have nearly as impressive results since PM took over.
Apparently you're failing to grasp my argument because I've never suggested that we should be measured against Tulane or Ole Miss. Mainieri and LSU are being measured by USC and Florida's success. So I don't care what Ole Miss and Tulane have accomplished since Mainieri arrive and, more specifically, within the past 3 years since winning a National Championship. I care what Florida, USC, UCLA, and Florida St. have done since all these alleged changes that Mainieri and others are so quick to point, but who rarely see LSU's inability to effectively adapt (whether through recruiting, coaching or playing).
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You don't have to acknowledge the "titles"
Good because those are ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:52 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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my comments have consistently been about what happens if they fail to make Omaha next year
Why don't we hold our water for 12 mons before we start with the "sky is falling, the sky is falling" BS.
Crap, did you not watch 2011???
Can we not thank this team for getting one win away from the CWS before we start with "what if we don't reach the CWS next season?
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:56 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Apparently you're failing to grasp my argument because I've never suggested that we should be measured against Tulane or Ole Miss.
I grasp that your brought them up. Your standards are shared by many. Nothing wrong with them. Thinking everyone needs to agree that PM is on some type of mythical hotseat; now THAT's ridiculous. We have some nice parting gifts for you. Thanks for playin' jo jo.
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Why don't we hold our water for 12 mons before we start with the "sky is falling, the sky is falling" BS.
Because the thread was about whether Mainieri was on the hot seat this year and I responded that he wasn't, but it would be a legitimate question if he ended 2013 without making Omaha.
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Crap, did you not watch 2011???
Every game.
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Can we not thank this team for getting one win away from the CWS before we start with "what if we don't reach the CWS next season?
I've always thought this team overachieved and was quite honestly amazed they won 47 games. Doesn't change my opinion that this was not a very good LSU team and supports a lot of peoples' arguments that the talent level is not where it needs to be, especially in light of recently winning a National Championship.
Also, I don't think any one of those kids takes satisfaction in being "one win away from the CWS." In the preseason, I don't hear them or the coaches talking about being "one win away from the CWS."
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:57 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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First, LSU
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First off, LSU
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