re: Is Mainieri on the hot seat for next year?

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Thinking everyone needs to agree that PM is on some type of mythical hotseat; now THAT's ridiculous.

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When have I said that everyone needs to agree with me?

Also, I don't think a [mythical] "hot seat" exists for Mainieri. I think he'll either be fired or he won't. I don't think he (or any other coach at a prestigious program) gets the benefit of a year or two on the hot seat.

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We have some nice parting gifts for you. Thanks for playin' jo jo.

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Um....ok. If you'd like to have a reasonable conversation and argument, I'm all for it. I've based all of my arguments on facts, statistics and expectations that many (notice I don't say everyone, as you've previously incorrectly suggested) hold. Besides, you were the one trying to prop up his performance by referencing Regional and Super Regional "titles."

If you're more interested in being a jackass, I guess that's fine, too.

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Doesn't change my opinion that this was not a very good LSU team

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How anyone could be of the opinion that a team that won the SEC is not a very good team is just ridiculous.

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How anyone could be of the opinion that a team that won the SEC is not a very good team is just ridiculous.

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Team, in the sense of collection of talent. If you're going to quote me, at least give me the benefit of my full quote which said:

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I've always thought this team overachieved and was quite honestly amazed they won 47 games. Doesn't change my opinion that this was not a very good LSU team and supports a lot of peoples' arguments that the talent level is not where it needs to be, especially in light of recently winning a National Championship.

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Talent wise, this was not a good LSU team. Compare this year's talent with the last LSU team to win the SEC (2009). Pretty glaring.

Regardless, I stand by my statement. Notice how I said LSU team. When compared to previous LSU teams, winning the SEC Championship, but failing to make Omaha does not merit a qualification as a "very good" LSU team. I realize there is some nuance in my argument but I don't think this was a very good LSU team. That statement is more a reflection on the state of the program than on this year's team.

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Talent wise, this was not a good LSU team.

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your entitled to believe that the talent level on a team that won the SEC is not a good team, but I think that's a ridiculous position to take.

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Is Mainieri on the hot seat for next year?

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Nope!

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your entitled to believe that the talent level on a team that won the SEC is not a good team, but I think that's a ridiculous position to take.

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LSU's talent was number 4 in the SEC 3 at best. Our late game heroics this season carried this baseball team. They found ways to win which many great teams do. I don't see this team doing great in omaha if we would had made it. Late game heroics don't always comes through for you. We hit a cold streak at the end of the season and didn't make omaha. Happens to the best of us. Look at UCLA last season, they lost in their own regional after having one of the best pitching rotations in the country, most of which I think returned from their national runners up appearance the year before.

LSU's bats went cold at the end of the season it really hurt us.

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pleasee stop bringing USCe into this discussion they are the BEST team in the country in the last 5 years by far.

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So tell me again, if they are the best program in the country for the last 5 years, why they aren't relevant in the discussion on the state of LSU's program? By whom would you judge LSU and Mainieri if you aren't measuring their success compared to their peers? To be quite honest, I thought I was being generous by comparing them to Florida and USC rather than to prior LSU teams and the program during the 1990s. If you can't compare them to the 1990s teams and you can't compare them to the current teams dominating college baseball, then who do you compare them to to determine success?

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the state of the program is looking up, and your blind if you can't see that.

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Looking up compared to what? Compared to not making the postseason at all the year before? Then, yeah, the program is looking up.

My question has been whether the program is where it should be considering we won a National Championship 3 years ago? Is the talent where it should be (if you are operating under the commonly-held assumption that a National Championship gives you a benefit recruiting and an uptick in talent level for the program)? Is hosting a regional only once in three years adequate?

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no AD is going to judge someone's job off of something that only 1/8th of teams who make the tournament make.

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Only one AD is responsible for a program that has made Omaha 15 times in 26 years and won 6 National Championships in the past 21 years. To suggest that every AD has the same measurement for a successful baseball program is misguided.

What's funny is that I haven't once argued that Mainieri should be fired if he doesn't make Omaha. I've simply observed that I'd imagine there will be serious deliberations on whether or not to keep him.

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Only one AD is responsible for a program that has made Omaha 15 times in 26 years and won 6 National Championships in the past 21 years.

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Actually, this is not accurate. Besides, those days are long gone. Was great while it lasted, but more colleges have put money into their baseball programs. There's just a lot more parity in college ball compared to the 90's, which is good for baseball.

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Yeah, because I'm sure Alabama football and Kentucky basketball determine the success of their seasons based upon winning SEC Championships. If that was the case, Mike DuBose and Tubby Smith would still be coaching there.

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lets compare SEC basketball to SEC baseball

basketball
Kentucky (Top school for a long time counting)
Tennessee (on a good year)
Florida
South Carolina
Vanderbilt (on a good year)
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi

Bold are teams who can compete with UK for a SEC title, teams underlined are teams who could maybe once out of every 10 years compete with kentucky for a SEC title, but it would have to be backed up with kentucky having a big off year.

so pretty much 8 out of 11 teams every year pretty much have no chance to win an SEC reg title.

3 teams if they have a great year I would say could take it from kentucky.

but pretty much Kentucky will win a SEC almost every single year. Noone at that school cares they should win a SEC title, all that matters for them is the national championship. That is it.

Baseball is different

Baseball
Kentucky (only based on this year)
Tennessee
Florida (number 2)
South Carolina (top school as of late)
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State (scary at the end of the year)

Bold teams who can compete for a title with USCe year in year out. in bold

teams who probably won't alteast the next few years compete for a title. underlined.

so SEC baseball is a much tougher conference.

half of the conference IMO can compete for a title year in year out.

there are only a handful of teams who probably won't compete for a title. But they still could knowing what baseball is like.

so LSU winning an SEC title, either tournament or regular season is a big feat with the competition it faces.

at kentucky in basketball noone cares if you win a SEC title, its nice but won't keep your job.

at LSU in baseball if you win a SEC title, there is good chance they keep you around a couple more years.

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How can Mainieri having an "under-talented" team be a positive reflection on him in any instance, let alone the one I've constantly harped on?

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because it shows he is a hell of a coach, he makes something apparently not good and makes it really good.

Talent doesn't win championships, leadership does, good coaching does, heart does, and lastly and least important some luck to go with that stuff. Talent sure does help but it doesn't win you national championships.

LSU football should be on national championship number 3 or 4 if winning only had to do with talent.

also LSU baseball probably won't have a national championship or 2 CWS appearances if it was only based on talent.

I suspect it is the same with Skip, he may not have had the best talent in the country but he knew how to make a team play to their best potential. While those teams had amazing talent, Skip made that talent as good as ever and took 5 national championships.