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re: Is Mainieri on the hot seat for next year?

Posted on 6/18/12 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/18/12 at 12:34 pm to
I don't believe they publish those stats.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34867 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 12:35 pm to
You would think a team with as many 1 run wins as us, would have some pretty timely hitting.
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
20492 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 12:46 pm to
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Hitting in the clutch has little to do with coaching.....and I'd like to see some stats to back up our trouble with RISP


The SEC website usually has them but the link is broken for some reason.
Posted by VC
Canton
Member since May 2012
2506 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 1:11 pm to
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'll hang up and listen..


will he be? Probably not

Should he be? Probably so


I know, I know, he won the SEC...etc...etc...but as a Tiger fan from the beginning of our run, I can tell you that I knew there was no way this team could win the CWS....none. He did good in 2009, as the team came together and got hot...but to me, the talent on this team is trending down, and not only are we not going to Omaha that often with him, hell we aren't even making the trny a few years....and that is unacceptable at LSU. If LSU doesn't go to Omaha next year, that will make four years in a row...don't want to hear that it can't happen anymore in this day and time....
Posted by Tegre
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jan 2008
1125 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:06 pm to
PM has a decent record and for some that's sufficient. But consider:

1) Pm isn't a pitching coach and to his credit he went out and found a great coach in Dunn.
2)Neither PM or his Asst. coaches can coach baserunning and if you think LSU is even a decent baserunning team you don't know the game.I guess a baserunning coach is unimportant and the guys can either run the bases or they can't.
3)Javi is either a very poor hitting coach or the team is made up of stubborn,immature guys who won't play as coached or have absolutely no ability.Which do you think it is?
4)For PM to make such a ridiculous comment (the hitting coach isn't important and the guys can either hit or they can't ) shows that PM is putting his personal relationship with Javi above the team and university.This alone justifies firing him regardless of all the other factors.Just my opinion.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11434 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:23 pm to
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4)For PM to make such a ridiculous comment (the hitting coach isn't important and the guys can either hit or they can't ) shows that PM is putting his personal relationship with Javi above the team and university.This alone justifies firing him regardless of all the other factors.Just my opinion.


So, tegre is for firing the coach that just won the SEC regular season title. Tegre, putting the tard in rantard since Jan. 2008.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28376 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:27 pm to
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SEC regular season title


Did I miss something and we are now listing SEC regular season championships on the Intimadator?
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:31 pm to
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Did I miss something and we are now listing SEC regular season championships on the Intimadator?

I just cannot understand why people think the measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship. This isn't basketball or football, where that is unquestionably a successful metric.

Some people want to claim we are the premiere baseball program in the nation and use SEC Championships as support for that claim? Get real. If we are using SEC Championships as a measure of our success, we aren't the top program in the nation anymore.
This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11434 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:35 pm to
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we aren't the top program in the nation anymore.


we haven't been for years, but we're certainly in contention for that honor. Only one team per year gets that distinction. Do we fire our coach because we're not ranked no. 1? Anyone who advocates firing PM after this season is just plain clueless.
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:46 pm to
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we haven't been for years, but we're certainly in contention for that honor.

Haven't been close for the past 3 years. South Carolina is without question the top program in the past 3 years and probably the past 5 years (which includes LSU's last National Championship). Anyone who argues against that claim needs to look at the numbers.

Further, I'd argue they are the top program over the past decade, too but that might make some peoples' heads explode.
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Only one team per year gets that distinction.

Think you are confusing the best team with the best program. From the beginning, my comments have spoken to the state of the program.

By while we are talking about this team, I think it's garbage that we, as fans, are expected to recalibrate what is a success depending on the type of talent (or lack thereof) that exists on the roster. That's a direct result of the head coach. And our expectations shouldn't be tempered by his failures to adequately and competently recruit and field a team that can and should make Omaha. You don't adjust expectations based upon how Paul Mainieri thinks we should.
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Do we fire our coach because we're not ranked no. 1?

Where has anyone suggested that?
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Anyone who advocates firing PM after this season is just plain clueless.

I haven't advocated for firing Mainieri after this season at all. I have consistently maintained that there's no reason to fire him after this previous year (2012). But I also don't think this previous season was the huge success that some people claim and it certainly doesn't help in terms of where the program is.

Missing Omaha for the fourth straight year, even after winning a National Championship, is a failure. If this happens next year, things will get interesting.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28376 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:52 pm to
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Anyone who advocates firing PM after this season is just plain clueless.

IMO he should be given an ultimatum, release Sanchez and find a competent hitting coach and get a little more slack next year, or keep Sanchez around and it's Omaha or bust.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127023 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 3:52 pm to
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IMO he should be given an ultimatum, release Sanchez and find a competent hitting coach and get a little more slack next year, or keep Sanchez around and it's Omaha or bust.
Never gonna happen....
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29330 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:05 pm to
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IMO he should be given an ultimatum, release Sanchez and find a competent hitting coach and get a little more slack next year, or keep Sanchez around and it's Omaha or bust.


Who do you suppose is to give him this edict? Maybe you could write him a letter and do it. No one except a clown would think that is a good idea.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:05 pm to
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I just cannot understand why people think the measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship.


It's one measurement of success as is regional, super regional, and CWS play.

I can't understand why people think that winning the SEC is not a positive meausurement.

We bitch last year cause we did poorly in the SEC, didn't get make postseason, and didn't host. We win the SEC, win a regional, and come one win from the CWS and some are still bitching.

This post was edited on 6/18/12 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11434 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:08 pm to
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I just cannot understand why people think the measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship.


I just cannot understand why people don't think that a measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
28376 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:08 pm to
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Who do you suppose is to give him this edict? Maybe you could write him a letter and do it. No one except a clown would think that is a good idea.


Well Joe Alleva.......

Why isn't that a good idea? Should we keep accepting mediocrity? I would trade the SEC Championship that keeps getting flaunted to still be alive in the CWS.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29330 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:10 pm to
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I just cannot understand why people think the measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship.


Hey the national champ for the last 3 years has been from the SEC (will probably be 4 in a few short days).....you don't think winning that conference is significant.....damn we have some dumbass fans.

Did you write off the football SEC championship as well???
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
11434 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:11 pm to
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Why isn't that a good idea?


following a rantard's advice is rarely a good idea.
Posted by Joe Joe Joe
Givin' Him the Business
Member since Oct 2007
5745 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:11 pm to
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I just cannot understand why people don't think that a measurement of success for LSU baseball is an SEC Championship.

Yeah, because I'm sure Alabama football and Kentucky basketball determine the success of their seasons based upon winning SEC Championships. If that was the case, Mike DuBose and Tubby Smith would still be coaching there.
Posted by bayoubengal225
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2009
5286 posts
Posted on 6/18/12 at 4:13 pm to
His comments about hitting coaches summed up his baseball program to me. Get rid of his arse...
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