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re: Is Kelly really that bad?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:47 am to lsucoonass
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:47 am to lsucoonass
The USC & UF games really hurt along with Joe Sloan and the lack of talent on the defense.
I still think he can build a championship level program here.
I still think he can build a championship level program here.
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:53 am to lsucoonass
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Is Kelly really that bad?
No. This is the closest we’ve been to being equal to Alabama in a long time.
I think we finally made it.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:05 am to lsucoonass
I'm still holding out hope for BK. We definitely have a multitude of problems that need addressing this entire offseason.
That being said, it wasn't a great year for most SEC of the top SEC programs by any stretch. I guarantee you that Ole Miss and Alabama are saying the exact same thing about their season.
Hell even Georgia isn't as good as everyone thought they would be to start the year, and I think this year will prove to be a disappointment for them if they don't win the NC (I don't think they will).
If A&M falls to Texas and Tennessee falls to Vanderbilt this weekend, I think this season will be considered a disappointment for both of them as well.
I guess the maddening thing is that it was a down year for pretty much everyone and we couldn't take advantage of it, but a lot of our rivals feel the same way we do.
That being said, it wasn't a great year for most SEC of the top SEC programs by any stretch. I guarantee you that Ole Miss and Alabama are saying the exact same thing about their season.
Hell even Georgia isn't as good as everyone thought they would be to start the year, and I think this year will prove to be a disappointment for them if they don't win the NC (I don't think they will).
If A&M falls to Texas and Tennessee falls to Vanderbilt this weekend, I think this season will be considered a disappointment for both of them as well.
I guess the maddening thing is that it was a down year for pretty much everyone and we couldn't take advantage of it, but a lot of our rivals feel the same way we do.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:11 am to josh336
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And yet he has never gone 8-4 here
Hey dumbass, LSU has 4 loses. The best he can do is 8-4 or 7-5 for the regular.
Side note - Kelly had three 4+ loss seasons at GVS. All 3 seasons at Cen. Michigan were 4+ losses. In 12 seasons at ND, he had 5 seasons with 4+ losses. Kelly lost 4 games in his first season at LSU and now has another 4 losses in his 3rd year. He's right at a 50% 4+ loss rate (career) as a head coach. So, yea, he's a 4-loss coach. whether you want to take off your LSU Kool-Aid glasses, and it admit it or not.
Stick to your baseball updates and stop being an idiot.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:36 am to Sheriff Brackett
Ok but is it “down” or has the portal snd nil make things even more competitive now. I think it’s the latter
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:47 am to lsucoonass
Probably a little bit of both. NIL and portal definitely help even the playing field.
I thought Texas, Georgia, Alabama and Ole Miss were going to be great teams because they had a proven QB coming back, but all of them are very flawed.
It's also VERY difficult to win in the SEC, especially on the road like we've seen this year.
I thought Texas, Georgia, Alabama and Ole Miss were going to be great teams because they had a proven QB coming back, but all of them are very flawed.
It's also VERY difficult to win in the SEC, especially on the road like we've seen this year.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 8:54 am to lsucoonass
my fear with kelly was he'd view this as a retirement gig. he also had no experience in the conference, and i don't really think he knew what he was getting into.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:05 am to Lee Chatelain
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So, yea, he's a 4-loss coach. whether you want to take off your LSU Kool-Aid glasses, and it admit it or not.
It's funny how almost all my non LSU friends think he sucks. Come to think of it...I don't know one person that watches college football and is not a LSU that thinks he is good.
Our fans are having a hard time grasping our situation.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:11 am to lsucoonass
No he isn’t. You don’t win consistently for 30 plus years and be a bad coach although he has never won a natty. But he needs to check his ego. He is the one that repeatedly told everyone, judge me on year 3. That is when my program is established. Well it is year three and we are still waiting on results
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:15 am to lsucoonass
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Is Kelly really that bad or is it just a really weird year for SEC football?
It's been complete pandemonium and my negative opinion of him has softened over the last 2 weeks..
shite is crazy.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:16 am to lsucoonass
No.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:18 am to loogaroo
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I don't know one person that watches college football and is not a LSU that thinks he is good.
This is true. Also surprised at how many other fans hate Kelly. For a coach that never won nattys or the big game, he’s well hated.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:25 am to Lee Chatelain
This is the rant, so arguments are conducted at the extremes and in overly simplistic ways.
The question is not whether Kelly is "that bad" or a "fraud" (he is neither).
Kelly is a very good CFB coach. Very capable.
But the better question is: whether he is good enough for this program, given its resources, expectations and history.
A related question is whether he is good enough to have deserved the ten year, $100 million contract SW gave him?
The answer to the latter question is clearly "no".
I am still entertaining the former question, but it's hypothetical, given what his contract requires of us.
SW screwed up the two biggest deals he ever negotiated.
The question is not whether Kelly is "that bad" or a "fraud" (he is neither).
Kelly is a very good CFB coach. Very capable.
But the better question is: whether he is good enough for this program, given its resources, expectations and history.
A related question is whether he is good enough to have deserved the ten year, $100 million contract SW gave him?
The answer to the latter question is clearly "no".
I am still entertaining the former question, but it's hypothetical, given what his contract requires of us.
SW screwed up the two biggest deals he ever negotiated.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:36 am to Lee Chatelain
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Hey dumbass, LSU has 4 loses. The best he can do is 8-4 or 7-5 for the regular.
Yet he's went 9-3 in his first two seasons here.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:47 am to SidewalkTiger
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Yet he's went 9-3 in his first two seasons here.
2022 - Kelly's first year.....
L - Florida State
L - Tennessee
L - Texas A&M
L - UGA
That's 4 losses.....that SEC Championship game counts.....but you go ahead and keep your goggles on too.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 10:48 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:06 am to Sheriff Brackett
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I'm still holding out hope for BK. We definitely have a multitude of problems that need addressing this entire offseason. That being said, it wasn't a great year for most SEC of the top SEC programs by any stretch. I guarantee you that Ole Miss and Alabama are saying the exact same thing about their season.
The problem with public sentiment is that it is rooted in perceived expectations regardless of underlying data info. LSU came into the season with a lot of mediocre talent. Ole Miss bought their way into a loaded roster. Bama retained their loaded roster and added a really good class.
So which of those teams do you think over performed or underperformed to get to 4-3 in the SEC. Keep in mind that the media picked us between 6 and 10 preseason in the SEC.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:09 am to Lee Chatelain
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Side note - Kelly had three 4+ loss seasons at GVS.
In 13 years as head coach, with 5 conference titles and 2 (D2) national titles in the same span.
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All 3 seasons at Cen. Michigan were 4+ losses.
That team was 3-7 (1-9 MAC) the year before he took over. It had been 6 years since they finished with a winning record, and 14 years since they had consecutive seasons with a winning record. His record over 3 years:
- 4-7 (3-5 MAC)
- 6-5 (6-3 MAC)
- 9-4 (7-1 MAC champs)
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Kelly lost 4 games in his first season at LSU
Because he made it to the SEC championship game.
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He's right at a 50% 4+ loss rate (career) as a head coach.
I didn’t realize that 13/34 (38%) was “right at 50%.”
Meanwhile Saban had lost 4+ games 55% of his career seasons when he left LSU. Les Miles 44%. Ed Orgeron 75%.
Let’s look at how often some other highly-paid coaches finish with 4+ losses:
Steve Sarkisian: 73%
Mike Norvell: 56%
Mark Stoops: 83%
Lane Kiffin: 50% (if they don’t lose again this year)
Eli Drinkwitz: 50% (if they don’t lose again this year)
Josh Heupel: 43%
James Franklin: 57%
Brent Venables: 66%
Mario Cristobal: 69%
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:10 am to lsucoonass
NO
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:11 am to lsucoonass
Define “Bad”.
If 3-4 losses per year is bad, then yes. Also, a career 3 loss per season coach who spent the majority of their career outside the SEC is probably a 4-5 loss coach in this new SEC. Is he a bad coach? No. Is he capable of going through the SEC to win a championship? No.
If 3-4 losses per year is bad, then yes. Also, a career 3 loss per season coach who spent the majority of their career outside the SEC is probably a 4-5 loss coach in this new SEC. Is he a bad coach? No. Is he capable of going through the SEC to win a championship? No.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:14 am to Juan Betanzos
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I’m not upset with the record IF we were sound and competitive in every game. It’s not the losses —— it’s the way we played and the way we lost.
Well we should've absolutely beaten Florida.
We beat them in yards, 3rd down %, had twice as many first downs, doubled their TOP, and fewer penalties.
Losing games when you win all of those statistics is pretty fricking rare. We just couldn't capitalize. So frustrating.
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