re: Is Aaron Nola the greatest LSU pitcher of all time?

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Your right

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My right what?

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Velocity isn’t a barometer on pitching ability at all. Solid call.

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Hey strawman, is that what I said?

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I've never swung a BBCOR, but a good wooden bat has a ton of pop in the barrel.

From what I saw those early BBCORs did not.

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They were like swinging something made out of lead. Absolutely no pop or give to them. They switched while I was in high school so we went from having the second best era of juiced bats of all time to possibly the worst.

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Ben had better “stuff”

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Ben had a big, flat fastball and thats it. Number 1 pick based on potential and the belief he could be taught to throw a curve for strikes, never really happened. On a bad day Nola has 4 pitches he can throw for strikes.

You guys are totally right. Ben McDonalds “stuff” was garabage.

Fuching morons.

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You guys are totally right. Ben McDonalds “stuff” was garabage.

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You argue like a liberal. No one has said this.

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You argue like a liberal. No one has said this

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Are you shitting me?

I said Ben McDonald, the #1 overall pick, golden spikes winner, who was called The greatest professional pitching prospect of all time, had great “stuff” aka pitches. And you responded “nope”.

You can go fuch yourself.

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Are you shitting me?

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Nope. I never called him or his stuff garbage. We are having an argument comparing two pitchers. “Stuff” in baseball terms means velocity with movement. Throwing hard, Ben’s MO, does not equate stuff by itself. And in the late 80s, triple digit velocity alone was worth a top 10 pick and Ben could control that fastball. He couldn’t control much else; he admits this. That was his downfall.

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You can go fuch yourself.

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Relax, Francis.

All I’m saying is that in terms of “stuff”, Nola is the one who had it. 94 mph with elite control over his fastball and plus curve. His changeup was so so in college but he could show it and it was effective enough.

Ben was great. I’ll never say anything differently. But in a head to head comparison, I’m going with Nola for the reasons above and my first post: I need one win, I’m going with Aaron.

Does he? He never hit triple digits at LSU. And that’s certainly not the sole reason he was drafted. Not that Ben was.

ETA: His scouting report “...easy delivery with a fastball that usually sits in the low to mid 90s range; his fastball has been clocked at nearly 100 mph.”

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Ben had better “stuff”

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At LSU, yes, Ben had great stuff, and his fastball was mid to upper 90s, so he is 1 and Aaron 1a, again AT LSU..

Ben will tell you he had "command" issues in the pros. Aaron thus far is having a better pro career.

Clay Dirks, hands down. Nobody has ever pitched that well with a a BA level of 0.24 on the mound.