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Posted on 4/5/10 at 8:14 am to ipodking
I wasn't excited about the hire. Ok. State Please. I am not a hater but we are now seeing the result. Get used to being an average football team. 
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:05 am to JJ27
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So...again...from 2007...which is the timeframe you s
Try to keep up. I did not set the time frame. The dude talking about the NC and being mediocre now did.
I was talking about 2009 and you didn't like that becuse it doesn't fit into your agenda. Then you jumped in to cherry pick the SEC record you could best bash Miles with and that's by combining a good year with a bad yr and shouting out mediocre.
I repeat. The AP, Coaches, Capital One Bowl, and SEC didn't judge LSU off 2008 and 2009, but off 2009 and found them much better than mediocre. Why don't you do the same.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:10 am to Tigerdandy
Any hire that brings home a national championship is by definition, a good hire. Miles has done a good job and has a chance to win another.
Of all the great coaches (Bryant, Paterno, Carroll, Bowden) there will always be down years, and Miles is no exception. However, I will argue that 8 or 9 wins is hardly a terrible year, but it is mediocre.
Of all the great coaches (Bryant, Paterno, Carroll, Bowden) there will always be down years, and Miles is no exception. However, I will argue that 8 or 9 wins is hardly a terrible year, but it is mediocre.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:21 am to Springlake Tiger
He was a panic hire, but he won the NC. His judgement is legitimately under question. Needs to develop QB.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:47 am to cosmicdingo
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For all who can remember the Cholly Mac days, how many times did we hear similar discussions about LSU "almost-wins" and "what if it had ended differently?" what might have beens? Point was, typically Alabama and the other big names would beat LSU (with some exceptions) in those big games and the Tigers would again take their spot in the also-ran category, year in and year out.
You do know an 85 scholarship limit has been put in place since those days? College football has more parity than ever before.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:18 am to The Virginian
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Any hire that brings home a national championship is by definition, a good hire
You are dead on target!
The value of a NC is immense for the school, the conference, the area, and the coach.
It simply floors me when I see people saying it was a bad hire or he has run the program into the ground or some such BS.
Miles is the 1st coach to enter his 6th season at LSU since Mac, he enters the year with the most wins in a 5 year peroid in LSU history, his 5 year record equals or is better than every coach in LSU history save one and he's only hair behind that one in a couple ways.
I don't know what our future holds anymore than anyone else does, no matter what they say, but on a whole the last 5 years lead me to say thanks Coach Miles for your efforts and good luck in 10.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:29 am to JawjaTigah
quote:So, in what game in 2009 did we not compete and not have a chance to win? We were in EVERY game we lost. We held a 4th quarter lead in 2 of the 4 games we lost. We lost 2 of the 4 by less than 3 points. Our biggest margin of defeat was 10 points.
But LSU does need to look like we are competing with the big boys and have a real chance to get there. The last two years I've not seen that. I've seen LSU look listless, unmotivated, poorly coached, confused, unproductive, ineffective.
How soon people forget getting blown out by UF and Auburn multiple times in Saban's 5 years to go along with other blowout losses to Alabama, UGA and VT during that time. The selective memory around here is amazing...
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:50 am to chilge1
quote:Yeah, but you see that quote is more "Cholly Mac era" logic. How many "wait until next year" hopes got dashed back then when next year came and Alabama and Ole Miss still found ways to beat (a sometimes favored) LSU. If we're settling into the thinking that sounds to me like: "Oooh! Ooooh! Bama and Florida are in a down year, maybe this is the year we can sneak into the title picture" then we better get ready to get beat again (and maybe by more than Bama and UF).
We've been at the bottom for a bit and seem to be on our way back up.
You seem to see LSU on an upward cycle. What I see as I look at LSU is lateral, random movement, that seems more consistently down than up in terms of team focus, coaching moves and other intangibles that count in real game time. I don't see what you base your (above) quote on other than wishful thinking on your part.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:53 am to LSUMafia
Was very disappointed when he was hired and am still very disappointed he is in charge.
He will probably get 2010 and 2011 before he is let go.
He will probably get 2010 and 2011 before he is let go.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:56 am to XbengalTiger
quote:In what game last season did we play at championship level for all 4 quarters? As a whole team, I mean. Defense, Offense, and Special Teams in each quarter. It always looked to me like our offense couldn't get things going, needed a dose of football viagra or something. Then it would seem like the defense suddenly couldn't stop the run. Then we'd get a little offense going and sometimes score a TD and more times a FG. Erratic play like that is how I say we weren't competing with the big boys. Key word is competing (not just surviving for 3 or so quarters). Versus the big boys and ranked teams, last year LSU did not once show the ability to put a game on ice. Even with a lead in the 4th quarter.
So, in what game in 2009 did we not compete and not have a chance to win?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:58 am to LSUMafia
i didn't like nick. i use to want him gone all of 04 and i was called an idiot and all kinda other names. just think he's overrated as a coach and don't like him as a person or head of a program.
no one else in the world can coach major college football for 13 years, finish in the top 5 two years, and in the top 10 5 years, with 8 years of underacheiving with loads of talent and be the "best coach in the nation."
didn't know anything about les but when he was hired i was very happy with it, because the other 2 leading canidates, that i remember, were tommy tubberville and houston nutt. and i hate those two.
i think he's done great with the program. 2 west championships and a nc in 5 years, pretty good. we'll see this year just what his program is really about.
no one else in the world can coach major college football for 13 years, finish in the top 5 two years, and in the top 10 5 years, with 8 years of underacheiving with loads of talent and be the "best coach in the nation."
didn't know anything about les but when he was hired i was very happy with it, because the other 2 leading canidates, that i remember, were tommy tubberville and houston nutt. and i hate those two.
i think he's done great with the program. 2 west championships and a nc in 5 years, pretty good. we'll see this year just what his program is really about.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:13 am to JawjaTigah
Look people you should drop the Cholly Mac era comparisons because with the current CFB rules no team is going to dominate like Alabama did during those times. They simply piled up the field, the sidelines, and the stands with all the best players in the region. While other teams were gassed Bama was substituting an All American with one that hadn't played a down yet.
No team in recent years has dominated recruiting more than USC and exactly how many BCS trophies do they have? LSU will be fine with the current staff in place. You need look no further than the 2009, 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes for your answer.
For those expecting to see Alabama dominate like the days of old every year you need to step away from the ledge. The same applies for Florida. Florida will be struggling to play on a New Year's bowl this year after replacing nearly their entire defense and Tebow.
The modern game runs in cycles and if 2008 and 2009 were our down cycle I will gladly take it. LSU fans should absolutely positively not want the disruption a coaching change involves. Look no further than the gaps in our 2008 and 2009 teams from poor recruiting during the HC transition to see what can happen.
No team in recent years has dominated recruiting more than USC and exactly how many BCS trophies do they have? LSU will be fine with the current staff in place. You need look no further than the 2009, 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes for your answer.
For those expecting to see Alabama dominate like the days of old every year you need to step away from the ledge. The same applies for Florida. Florida will be struggling to play on a New Year's bowl this year after replacing nearly their entire defense and Tebow.
The modern game runs in cycles and if 2008 and 2009 were our down cycle I will gladly take it. LSU fans should absolutely positively not want the disruption a coaching change involves. Look no further than the gaps in our 2008 and 2009 teams from poor recruiting during the HC transition to see what can happen.
This post was edited on 4/5/10 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:36 am to LSUMafia
quote:raises hand..
how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Miles was hired to replace Saban
quote:yes. Im even more dissapointed
Have your feelings changed since?
Posted on 4/5/10 at 12:15 pm to OFWHAP
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That was based off our preseason ranking which is based off our reputation. I have a feeling the polls will not be as generous with LSU next season. After The Chik Fil A against GA Tech, it looked like LSU had fixed its QB and defense problems. After the blunders at the end of 2009 and our QB issues, I think LSU (Miles in particular) has exhausted its good will with the rankings.
Look at the second half of that Georgia Tech game and tell me that it had "appeared" that we fixed our QB problems. Jefferson had modest statistics as a whole after going 11/12 in the first half. That can only mean he had a HORRIBLE second half. As far as this year goes, we'll wind up in the preseason rankings somewhere between 12-17 I'd wager.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 12:16 pm to The Virginian
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I will argue that 8 or 9 wins is hardly a terrible year, but it is mediocre.
Mediocre is something that is not good or bad.
If you think a season which finished with LSU getting the top SEC bowl bid outside of the BCS bowls and top 20 vote by both the Coaches and AP poll is not a good showing, you are a mediocre fan and clueless.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 12:23 pm to JawjaTigah
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If we're settling into the thinking that sounds to me like: "Oooh! Ooooh! Bama and Florida are in a down year, maybe this is the year we can sneak into the title picture" then we better get ready to get beat again (and maybe by more than Bama and UF).
I think you're misrepresenting the thought on this. The primary reason for hope is that our own team should be stronger. What I saw in 2009 was a more focused and dedicated than the year prior. Injuries played a role down the stretch.. and there had to be a mental drain on both the coaches and players. I know you don't perceive the team in this way, but it's my interpretation of the attitude of the team. The fact that this corresponds to a downswing in Florida and LSU only serves to heighten the possibility of a championship.
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In what game last season did we play at championship level for all 4 quarters? As a whole team, I mean. Defense, Offense, and Special Teams in each quarter. It always looked to me like our offense couldn't get things going, needed a dose of football viagra or something. Then it would seem like the defense suddenly couldn't stop the run. Then we'd get a little offense going and sometimes score a TD and more times a FG. Erratic play like that is how I say we weren't competing with the big boys. Key word is competing (not just surviving for 3 or so quarters). Versus the big boys and ranked teams, last year LSU did not once show the ability to put a game on ice. Even with a lead in the 4th quarter.
While I did notice this, and it was quite a cause of frustration last year, it is a significant step up from allowing 50+ points a game and getting blown out. As has been pointed out, we took a lead into the 4th in half the games we lost and our largest margin of defeat was 10 points. It's this comparison that gives me hope for 2010.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 12:40 pm to Tigerdandy
quote:if there ever was a mediocre 9-3 season, last year was it... 0 wins over top 25 teams.... 112th ranked offense... yeah we were pretty mediocre last year..
If you think a season which finished with LSU getting the top SEC bowl bid outside of the BCS bowls and top 20 vote by both the Coaches and AP poll is not a good showing, you are a mediocre fan and clueless.
Posted on 4/5/10 at 1:02 pm to TiegerTim
it boils down to this for me when it comes to Miles. Guts can only take you so far then coaching skill has to take over. he has the guts to make a great coach but does he have the smarts. as one of my co workers says " the 4 million dollar idot is at it again. and he would know a little about LSU football being that he played for the Tigers in the late 70's
Posted on 4/5/10 at 1:05 pm to TiegerTim
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yeah we were pretty mediocre last year..
You are mediocre at your best, but LSU was good last year.
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