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re: In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:38 am to Emilio7
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:38 am to Emilio7
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LSU screwed up big time.
Umm... I think big time is a bit harsh. The man did go 11-2 (despite 2 hurricanes), 11-2, and 12-2 with an NC.
I didn't like the hire either and still don't, but it wasn't all bad. He's a good coach. I personally think he's just in over his head at LSU long-term.
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Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:05 am to LSUMafia
There are people who just don't like him as a coach, his style is what they don't like. And because of that, folk who have never been turned on by him have jacked up the expectations to make it impossible for him to win with them. The disdain has very little to do with results, but his personality. Some of it has to do with folk convincing themselves that only Saban can coach and only Saban can win, also.
All of it doesn't matter. As long as he keeps on winning, he'll be here.
All of it doesn't matter. As long as he keeps on winning, he'll be here.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:13 am to Rocket
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As long as he keeps on winning, he'll be here.
Not just games, Rocket. The man has to win titles.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:14 am to Slinger16
quote:not really... at all
Not just games, Rocket. The man has to win titles.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:16 am to Deactived
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not really... at all
so he could pull 9 win seasons out of his arse for the next 15 years and it would be okay?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:25 am to Slinger16
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Not just games, Rocket. The man has to win titles.
That would help his job security for sure but folk need to quit acting like their disdain for him has something to do with results. The people who don't like him now won't like him whether we go 6-6 or 14-0.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:27 am to LSUMafia
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I didn't like the hire either and still don't, but it wasn't all bad. He's a good coach. I personally think he's just in over his head at LSU long-term.
He's an average coach at a "once" elite program. I always use this example: Mack Brown and Les Miles really have alot incommon. They'll always get talent just because of program history and location. But, they'll never be able to pull the very best out of their players (a la Nick Saban,Pete Carroll,Urban Meyer)
It just turns out that Mack Brown is the king of the state of Texas when it comes to football and is in a better situation than Les Miles.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:29 am to Rocket
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That would help his job security for sure but folk need to quit acting like their disdain for him has something to do with results. The people who don't like him now won't like him whether we go 6-6 or 14-0.
This is exactly how i feel, I'll never like Les Miles just because of the way he carries himself and the fact that he's royally screwing up this program.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:32 am to Emilio7
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I always use this example: Mack Brown and Les Miles really have alot incommon. They'll always get talent just because of program history and location. But, they'll never be able to pull the very best out of their players (a la Nick Saban,Pete Carroll,Urban Meyer)
Mack Brown has won over 80 percent of his games at UT. He's been beating up on OU recently as well.
I'm not sure what you think getting the best out of his players means. You've got some unrealistic expectations.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:33 am to Rocket
Then they are the last people who should say anything because they don't know shite about football.
I expect a program like LSU to win the conference about 3 times a decade.
That is my standard.
I expect a program like LSU to win the conference about 3 times a decade.
That is my standard.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:35 am to Rocket
unrealistic expectations? Les Miles is never on the cutting edge of anything. All he does is patch up the holes in a leaking ship. I just don't expect anything out of him anymore.
I'm not one of these people who thinks that if LSU isn't in the BCS championship conversation every single year then the sky must be falling. But, LSU should have 3 BCS championships from last decade.
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I expect a program like LSU to win the conference about 3 times a decade.
That is my standard.
I'm not one of these people who thinks that if LSU isn't in the BCS championship conversation every single year then the sky must be falling. But, LSU should have 3 BCS championships from last decade.
This post was edited on 4/3/10 at 2:39 am
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:39 am to Emilio7
I'm talking about what you posted about Mack Brown. Sure, he could posted a few more conference titles but he just got through this past season with his team going to the national title game.
That's what being a premier football coach is about. It's just always winning the national title every year. It's about staying in the hunt and every now and then, having the players and staff work out just right where you can win the big one.
That's what being a premier football coach is about. It's just always winning the national title every year. It's about staying in the hunt and every now and then, having the players and staff work out just right where you can win the big one.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:44 am to Rocket
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I'm talking about what you posted about Mack Brown. Sure, he could posted a few more conference titles but he just got through this past season with his team going to the national title game.
That's what being a premier football coach is about. It's just always winning the national title every year. It's about staying in the hunt and every now and then, having the players and staff work out just right where you can win the big one.
What I'm saying is....Mack Brown is not the greatest/smartest head coach in the country. He's in the perfect situation, a school like Texas barely has 3 or 4 "rough" games a year. Also when it comes to recuirting they get the top tier players out of the state of Texas and can basically cherry pick if they want out of state premier players.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:49 am to Emilio7
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I'm saying is....Mack Brown is not the greatest/smartest head coach in the country
Maybe not but he's still been highly successful.
You said he doesn't get the best out of his players but I think he's been doing a bang up job of doing just that as of late.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 3:26 am to LSUMafia
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In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when Miles was hired to replace Saban?
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Rocket
Posted on 4/3/10 at 6:10 am to LSUMafia
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In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Miles was hired to replace Saban?
I was mostly disappointed when Saban left, I knew little about Miles.
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Have your feelings changed since?
I don't feel that Miles is an elite coach. I believe that a lot of people try to compare a college football coach to a high school coach, but really they are more like a CEO of a large corporation, especially when you're talking about a program like LSU. Nick Saban is, regardless of what you anyone thinks of him, an incredible manager and professional. He holds everyone in his corporation to a very high standard and he does it consistently. He is a rare individual. Most anyone who is compared to him when it comes to righting the ship and sailing it through the storm is going to come up short. With that said, he is not the only one who can be successful. I am not sure that Miles holds his people accountable enough to get it done consistently. Thank you for listening.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 6:44 am to JawjaTigah
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The Spring Game has shown us this is still not the case
Since you date back to Dietzel, tell me how LSU did in the Spring of 58?
What were they 'expected' to do that year?
For that matter, tell me when the 'spring game' (also known as a practice) was indicitive of the outcome of an entire season 5 months away from starting?
You folks OLD and young alike need to chill out on the 'spring time' melt down, its ridiculous.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 6:58 am to LSUMafia
LSUMafia hit it on the head.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 7:14 am to LSUMafia
At that time, the only thing I remember about Les was a story told by David Cutcliffe after the cotton bowl (2003). He said him and Les were talking during warms ups and David mentioned about how the LSU/Oklahoma game was going to be a war. Les told him the Sooners were going to destroy LSU. Right then Coach Cut said that he knew they were going to win. This guy didn't respect LSU, therefore, doesn't respect us.
Just something that stuck in my head.
Just something that stuck in my head.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:26 am to Emilio7
quote:The other key indicator that Mack Brown has an advantage is that he seems to know his own limitations and goes out and hires really, really good, top assistant coaches. So all he has to do really is preside at the board meetings and strut around the sidelines on game day.
Mack Brown is the king of the state of Texas when it comes to football and is in a better situation than Les Miles.
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