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re: In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:30 am to SouthernMan
Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:30 am to SouthernMan
quote:Got me there, dude. But what we saw then was an LSU team that competed, was dominant, and fought with the best of their ability to win. And did. It was in the underachieving debacle years of Stovall, Archer, Hallman, DiNardo/Tepper regimes that we saw LSU decide it was ok to just show up and win a few more than they lost (except when they lost more than they won)... We're not there yet under CLM, but give him a few more years. I already see that lack of fire and determination in our style of play that always precedes mediocrity.
tell me how LSU did in the Spring of 58?
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Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:51 am to LSUMafia
I remember being disappointed in the Miles hire. But I was disappointed when Saban was the best we could get in 2000. He was no big name then. So what the hell do I know.
Most of the "big names" that were going to move in '05 had already done so. Miles was one of the last hires of the year because no one knew Saban was going to leave when all the other hires were being made (Saban probably didn't know either). Out of the 23 coaches hired that year, 12 are gone. 1 died, 1 got a better job, 10 were fired. A few of left their new programs in shambles (Willingham, Robinson, Orgeron, Weis, Harris). Overall, I think we came out pretty good.
By some of the standards some posters in here set, Alabama should have fired Bear Bryant in 1970 after 4 below par years including the last two being 6-5 and 6-5-1. That was two consecutive years of true mediocrity.
Most of the "big names" that were going to move in '05 had already done so. Miles was one of the last hires of the year because no one knew Saban was going to leave when all the other hires were being made (Saban probably didn't know either). Out of the 23 coaches hired that year, 12 are gone. 1 died, 1 got a better job, 10 were fired. A few of left their new programs in shambles (Willingham, Robinson, Orgeron, Weis, Harris). Overall, I think we came out pretty good.
By some of the standards some posters in here set, Alabama should have fired Bear Bryant in 1970 after 4 below par years including the last two being 6-5 and 6-5-1. That was two consecutive years of true mediocrity.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:56 am to JawjaTigah
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The other key indicator that Mack Brown has an advantage is that he seems to know his own limitations and goes out and hires really, really good, top assistant coaches. So all he has to do really is preside at the board meetings and strut around the sidelines on game day.
If Colt McCoys pass takes the extra second to hit the ground instead of the fence, Brown would have had been the dumbest clock manager of the year, taking the title away from Les.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 8:59 am to LSUMafia
The whole reason I was pissed about the Saban-LSU situation is because I think he had already decided to leave and was just using us to gain more power at Miami. This basically led to a late coaching search and we missed on more high profile options. I will always dislike Saban for that stunt.
It seemed to put us in a situation of having to find a coach with potential and not a truly known commodity. I feel like we definitely hit a homerun an it isn't debatable IMO. We won a NC in his 3rd year which is remarkable.
I think we are really unappreciative of what he has done and rational opposing fans think that too.
It seemed to put us in a situation of having to find a coach with potential and not a truly known commodity. I feel like we definitely hit a homerun an it isn't debatable IMO. We won a NC in his 3rd year which is remarkable.
I think we are really unappreciative of what he has done and rational opposing fans think that too.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:07 am to LSUMafia
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In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Miles was hired to replace Saban? Have your feelings changed since?
I was undecided at first, not really knowing enough about him.
I was disappointed when I heard him speak at the first press conference. And that turned out to be one of his better efforts actually.
And no, even when we won the title in 2007 my feelings haven't really changed.
Like the guy, hope he can get us back on track but that's just my honest answer.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:17 am to DBG
I remember saying "where the frick is he from"
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:17 am to Colonel Flagg
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The whole reason I was pissed about the Saban-LSU situation is because I think he had already decided to leave and was just using us to gain more power at Miami
Surely you are not saying that Nick would use his current job to wrestle more money from his future employer?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:23 am to Colonel Flagg
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I think we are really unappreciative of what he has done
If you would have told me in 1/05, before the Miles hire, that Miles would win more games than Nick, would win the West the same # of times as than Nick, would have a better bowl record than Nick, would have LSU ranked in the top 5 three years in a row, in his 5th season have almost the same record as Nick had in his 5th season, after 5 yrs have almost the exact same SEC record as Nick, and win a NC during his 5 years...I would have jumped up and down in joy and said not just yes to his hire but hell yes!!!
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:23 am to JaxTigah
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Surely you are not saying that Nick would use his current job to wrestle more money from his future employer?
I wouldn't have even had a problem with it except he delayed our coaching search until Christmas. Also he got more power at Miami than almost every any head coach in the NFL has over their current team. I had no problem with him moving on, but it could have really hurt the program had we hit a dud like zool instead of a home run with Miles.
LSU is a big program to be fricking over like that.
This post was edited on 4/3/10 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:42 am to Lonnie4LSU
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If you would have told me in 1/05, before the Miles hire, that Miles would win more games than Nick, would win the West the same # of times as than Nick, would have a better bowl record than Nick, would have LSU ranked in the top 5 three years in a row, in his 5th season have almost the same record as Nick had in his 5th season, after 5 yrs have almost the exact same SEC record as Nick, and win a NC during his 5 years...I would have jumped up and down in joy and said not just yes to his hire but hell yes!!!
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:49 am to JaxTigah
LSU football during the years of 2000-2004 was a frickLOAD more enjoyable than the years of 2005-2009.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:59 am to RealityTiger
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LSU football during the years of 2000-2004 was a frickLOAD more enjoyable than the years of 2005-2009.
I wonder if the fact that we had been lost in the dessert for soooooooooo long, had anything to do with that? Could we be spoiled brats now thinking that we should win the SEC every year? Hmmmmmm.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 12:59 pm to JaxTigah
quote:Tulane mentality.
I wonder if the fact that we had been lost in the dessert for soooooooooo long, had anything to do with that? Could we be spoiled brats now thinking that we should win the SEC every year?
LSU doesn't have to be in the SECCG every year to keep me happy. But LSU does need to look like we are competing with the big boys and have a real chance to get there. The last two years I've not seen that. I've seen LSU look listless, unmotivated, poorly coached, confused, unproductive, ineffective. And I've heard a host of excuses why.
LSU football since 2008 has not been fun to watch. What happened? Hmmmmmmmm?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:11 pm to JawjaTigah
Does anyone remember who all interveiwed for LSU Head Coach job when Les Miles was hired?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:12 pm to JawjaTigah
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But LSU does need to look like we are competing with the big boys and have a real chance to get there
Yeah, Fla, Alabama, and PS really blew our doors off in 2009.
We all better run and hide.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:29 pm to JawjaTigah
Overall, the whole decade has been fun to watch. Best decade for LSU football EVER. Did I enjoy watching the Ole Miss debacle, no. But then again, I wasn't too thrilled with the '05 SECCG, the Bama dimination in '02 or the UGA beatdown in '04 either.
It is not a Tulane mentality. It is reality mentality. Anyone not willing to admit that RP's departure had a negative effect on '08 and the '08 pick 6's didn't influence play calling and quarterback play in '09, is not being a realist.
It is not a Tulane mentality. It is reality mentality. Anyone not willing to admit that RP's departure had a negative effect on '08 and the '08 pick 6's didn't influence play calling and quarterback play in '09, is not being a realist.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:35 pm to Hoodatt
quote:Yes. What's your point?
So Bama paid $4 million for a 6-7 season in 07?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 1:36 pm to LSUMafia
quote:How many points did the Hurricanes score?
The man did go 11-2 (despite 2 hurricanes)
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:41 pm to xiv
quote:I was...But Miles has exceeded my expectations of him.
In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
The SEC is the toughest schedule in the nation.
Things have to work out just right to win it or a NC.
At least LSU is in contention almost every year.
The season could play out way different with a touchdown here or there or an interception, etc...
At least we arent Miss. State or Vandy, no disrespect to them but how many times have they had a legitimate shot at the SEC Championship?
LSU is right there, I'm happy about that.
If life were a fairy tale then LSU would be undeafeated every year....
TTFWIW.
This post was edited on 4/3/10 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 4/3/10 at 2:59 pm to Mr. Allman
quote:
Alright, here's a question (which may actually deserve it's own thread): how many were disappointed when the Saban hire was announced?
No spin here...just curious.
I for one was underwhelmed. He had one season in which he won more than 8 games in his whole career at that point. I think LSU just got extremely lucky on that hire. Maybe they were trying to recapture that luck with Miles. They had fairly similar resumes.
I was actually thrilled when LSU hired Saban, but it seems like I was one of the few. He had taken over the Michigan State program when they were on probation and turned it around, he already had a reputation as a bit of a defensive guru in the NFL, and I loved his approach with toughness and discipline. I told a few of my friends that they were going to love the hire once they saw the results.
Miles....I was hopeful when he was hired, and I have so wanted him to succeed for both LSU and himself. I've defended him against the taunts of opposing fans and said they were wrong about his "luck" in 2007. But what I see now is a team that looks sloppy and undisciplined, poorly coached, and it appears to me that we're headed for more of the same. I like Miles and hope I'm wrong, because a coaching search might just turn up someone who is even worse. But I have no confidence in Les anymore.
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