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re: In all honesty, how many of you were disappointed at the time when
Posted on 4/3/10 at 3:58 pm to BillF
Posted on 4/3/10 at 3:58 pm to BillF
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But I have no confidence in Les anymore.
Lucky for Les, your confidence level in him means nothing one way or the other.
You loved the results of Saban, but not the results of Miles. What results did Saban have here that Miles hasn't had?
You are mad because Saban left you. Get over it. Saban didn't love you as much as you loved him.
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Posted on 4/3/10 at 4:06 pm to LSUMafia
disappointed at the time and was on fire when LSU lost to TENN 05'
Posted on 4/3/10 at 4:17 pm to LSUMafia
I wasn't disappointed at the time. Yes he's made plenty of mistakes, but he's recruited well, and like it or not, recuiting good players is most important. x's and o's, discipline, etc are certainly important, they're inconsequential without good talent. While I would love a coach who has all of that, I wouldn't want to sacrifice talented players in exchange.
I wouldn't be heartbroken if Miles left, but I'll take him over a type like mike archer, ken hatfield, or lou holtz - smart coaches, but terrible recruiters.
I wouldn't be heartbroken if Miles left, but I'll take him over a type like mike archer, ken hatfield, or lou holtz - smart coaches, but terrible recruiters.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 4:31 pm to LSUMafia
Well, to take it a step further, how many of you were all that excited when Saban was hired? Did anyone think we were getting a suitably "big name" coach? Sure, he had done some good things at Michigan State, but he certainly had not turned them into a power.
As for Miles, the thing I remember most from his time at Oklahoma State was that he used to give Stoops fits with a clearly inferior team, actually beating him a couple of times (if memory serves). So I was kind of intrigued by what he might be able to accomplish at LSU. I was certainly impressed with the way he handled all the disruptions of his first season and with the success he had in his first three years. I still haven't made up my mind about the last two years; this year will tell us a lot.
As for Miles, the thing I remember most from his time at Oklahoma State was that he used to give Stoops fits with a clearly inferior team, actually beating him a couple of times (if memory serves). So I was kind of intrigued by what he might be able to accomplish at LSU. I was certainly impressed with the way he handled all the disruptions of his first season and with the success he had in his first three years. I still haven't made up my mind about the last two years; this year will tell us a lot.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 4:41 pm to lsu xman
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disappointed at the time and was on fire when LSU lost to TENN 05'
Are you kidding me? Even after learning (at the end of the season...the coaches obviously didn't want to say this during the season) that the LSU players lost an average of something like 20 lbs. in the weeks after Katrina?! The guys were operating on fumes in the second half of that brutally hot and humid game. (One of my friends told me that it was the hottest, most miserable game he had ever attended in Tiger Stadium.) I remember seeing the defense with their hands on their knees, obviously in distress, throughout the 4th quarter. They were just spent. The fact that they went on to win every other regular season game is remarkable. The lost to UGA in the championship game was due to the fact that they were completely exhausted after a season without a bye week. But remember what they did to Miami after a couple of weeks of rest. That was the team that we would have seen all year if it had been a normal season. I'm firmly convinced that without Katrina, we might well have won the NC that year.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 4:49 pm to TigerCard
when miles was hired i had the "wait and see" attitude......i find myself still having it sometimes. I still support coach miles, but they better make some noise this coming year, or it will get bad around here
Posted on 4/3/10 at 5:07 pm to Banshee
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You loved the results of Saban, but not the results of Miles. What results did Saban have here that Miles hasn't had?
Are you serious? Saban took a program that was known for underachieveing and built an elite program in the early 2000's. Miles on the other hand took over the ship and we've been sinking alittle every year.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 5:16 pm to JawjaTigah
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LSU doesn't have to be in the SECCG every year to keep me happy. But LSU does need to look like we are competing with the big boys and have a real chance to get there. The last two years I've not seen that. I've seen LSU look listless, unmotivated, poorly coached, confused, unproductive, ineffective. And I've heard a host of excuses why.
LSU football since 2008 has not been fun to watch. What happened? Hmmmmmmmm?
I agree that the past two years haven't been fun. There are lots of reasons; whether these count as "excuses" depends on your perspective, I suppose. You're right that there is no way we (or any other team) can win the conference every year. But I would contend that even being in the hunt for the championship is something that can't be expected every year. Every team and every coach is going to have years when, for a variety of reasons, things are just not going to click. But if a "down" year is 8-5 or 9-4, then I'll take it. The biggest question in my mind is whether the past two years indicate an ominous trend instead of a temporary fall off. Of course, many think they do, and they might be right, but I think the jury's still out. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned, but the disruptions after '07 (losing a premier DC and the QB we were counting on to be the starter for the next two years) were serious enough to give me pause.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 5:21 pm to Emilio7
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Miles on the other hand took over the ship and we've been sinking alittle every year.
So in 2008 we were unranked and finished 7th in the SEC. In 2009 were ranked in the top 20 and finished 3rd in the SEC. Just so you understand that is an upward trend.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 5:44 pm to LSUMafia
The moment Miles was hired I rushed to the rant to see what others thought so I could form an opinion and adamantly stick to it.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 5:51 pm to LSUMafia
Living in Big 12 country I'd seen plenty enough of Miles to have a good feel for what we were getting, so yes, I was disappointed.
Miles is a good man, a capable recruiter, and doesn't seem to have a big ego so is comfortable hiring big name arse't coaches and staff. But player development, mental discipline, the drive to excel, game day decision making, etc. are not up to top level standards at least with any consistency.
The question to ask is whether LSU under Les's leadership perform above, up to, or below its talent level? I personally don't think Les-coached teams to play consistently to their potential.
Miles is a good man, a capable recruiter, and doesn't seem to have a big ego so is comfortable hiring big name arse't coaches and staff. But player development, mental discipline, the drive to excel, game day decision making, etc. are not up to top level standards at least with any consistency.
The question to ask is whether LSU under Les's leadership perform above, up to, or below its talent level? I personally don't think Les-coached teams to play consistently to their potential.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 6:13 pm to JohnnyT
2005-2007 were the best three years in the history of LSU. They were thrilling in all aspects and a joy.
2008 was a horrible season. It was painful at times and things very obviously fell apart at the end.
But then 2009 came. We saw great strides on defense although due to the problems from the prior year, we took a cautious conservative approach to developing our latest young QB.
However, I've seen a lot of people crying about the "last two years" and link it to LSU not competing for championships. A lot of people fail to realize that prior to the Alabama game, we were 7-1 and in the discussion for the National Championship that year. We fought hard in that game. We took Alabama to the edge.
People tend to remember the Ole Miss game for obvious reasons, but this is the one that sticks in my head. Who's to say what would happen should we have beaten Alabama? The mindset of the team having won that game as opposed to having lost it are polar opposites. The team lost a close game and became deflated and dejected. Should they have won, they become energized and renewed.
The bottom line is that last year we did compete for a championship. The results of our Week 9 game served as our elimination game...
It seems to reason that we'll make a similar progression in 2010, and with a top-5 schedule and weakened divisional teams this year, we have a great shot at the West, at the SEC, and from there... let's just hope that luck is with us.
2008 was a horrible season. It was painful at times and things very obviously fell apart at the end.
But then 2009 came. We saw great strides on defense although due to the problems from the prior year, we took a cautious conservative approach to developing our latest young QB.
However, I've seen a lot of people crying about the "last two years" and link it to LSU not competing for championships. A lot of people fail to realize that prior to the Alabama game, we were 7-1 and in the discussion for the National Championship that year. We fought hard in that game. We took Alabama to the edge.
People tend to remember the Ole Miss game for obvious reasons, but this is the one that sticks in my head. Who's to say what would happen should we have beaten Alabama? The mindset of the team having won that game as opposed to having lost it are polar opposites. The team lost a close game and became deflated and dejected. Should they have won, they become energized and renewed.
The bottom line is that last year we did compete for a championship. The results of our Week 9 game served as our elimination game...
It seems to reason that we'll make a similar progression in 2010, and with a top-5 schedule and weakened divisional teams this year, we have a great shot at the West, at the SEC, and from there... let's just hope that luck is with us.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:03 pm to chilge1
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chilge1
Posted on 4/4/10 at 7:28 pm to chilge1
quote:For all who can remember the Cholly Mac days, how many times did we hear similar discussions about LSU "almost-wins" and "what if it had ended differently?" what might have beens? Point was, typically Alabama and the other big names would beat LSU (with some exceptions) in those big games and the Tigers would again take their spot in the also-ran category, year in and year out. After all that has been accomplished in the past decade, I hate to think we're regressing to that old pattern. But I just don't see CLM as the man with the plan to keep LSU at the top instead of 3rd or 4th and ranked in the mid to high teens at season's end.
but this is the one that sticks in my head. Who's to say what would happen should we have beaten Alabama? The mindset of the team having won that game as opposed to having lost it are polar opposites. The team lost a close game and became deflated and dejected. Should they have won, they become energized and renewed.
And as for maybe competing against what you've called...
quote:I'd much rather see LSU playing and competing at the top versus strong conference rivals. A victory over a strong rival is much more satisfying than beating a sick puppy team. I remember how good it felt to beat then-mighty and favored UGA at home in 2003.
weakened divisional teams this year
This post was edited on 4/4/10 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:34 pm to Cadello
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At least we arent Miss. State or Vandy, no disrespect to them but how many times have they had a legitimate shot at the SEC Championship?
I find it awesome that you defend Miles by saying, "At least we aren't Moo State or Vandy!"
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:39 pm to LSUMafia
I wrote Bertman a nasty gram as soon as it was announced. I watch his Ok. State team lay a turd in a game against Ohio State and told him he was lazy and didn't even try to find a quality coach.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:42 pm to Colonel Flagg
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So in 2008 we were unranked and finished 7th in the SEC. In 2009 were ranked in the top 20 and finished 3rd in the SEC. Just so you understand that is an upward trend.
We improved from 8-5 to 9-4 with one of the worst offenses in the country. We did this against an easier schedule. I don't even know if we beat a Top 25 team in 2009.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:47 pm to LSUMafia
miles wasn't hired to replace saban.
saban LEFT lsu for the nfl.
saban LEFT lsu for another team.
lsu had NO coach. lsu had to hire a coach.
miles looked the best.
you and other ranturds sound like the guy whose wife left to screw the navy and really wants her back b/c she is so good at screwing.
IF anyone else would have been hired, lsu would have probably not lost a game yet. yes, lsu would be undefeated and have six more bcs balls.
but, alas, the ranturds believe we have a looser as coach even tho he has the greatest (GREATEST) winning percentages of any lsu coach (EVER.)
if you don't belive me, ask the ranturds.
or just ask yourself, why the heck would you bring up this dead horse again.
do you like reliving your parent's divorce?
man, can you ranturds let it go?
saban LEFT lsu for the nfl.
saban LEFT lsu for another team.
lsu had NO coach. lsu had to hire a coach.
miles looked the best.
you and other ranturds sound like the guy whose wife left to screw the navy and really wants her back b/c she is so good at screwing.
IF anyone else would have been hired, lsu would have probably not lost a game yet. yes, lsu would be undefeated and have six more bcs balls.
but, alas, the ranturds believe we have a looser as coach even tho he has the greatest (GREATEST) winning percentages of any lsu coach (EVER.)
if you don't belive me, ask the ranturds.
or just ask yourself, why the heck would you bring up this dead horse again.
do you like reliving your parent's divorce?
man, can you ranturds let it go?
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:49 pm to OFWHAP
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I find it awesome that you defend Miles
Miles doesn't need to be defended by anyone here. He has won BCS games, SEC title, and NC. Not many around with those kind of skins on their walls.
Posted on 4/4/10 at 9:51 pm to Tigerdandy
Nobody here has ever been president of the US either. But I bet you sure do and have criticized him before.
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