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re: If you want to know for sure if McMahon is competent at LSU

Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:48 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59368 posts
Posted on 2/25/25 at 11:48 pm to
I agree he’s not a starter
Posted by kbroom
Member since Aug 2017
257 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:25 am to
MM needs to go. He hasn't earned that type of investment. Let a new guy come in with that kind of backing. MM's teams initially stagnated, and then have regressed.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
20940 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:28 am to
If our diabetic AD spent as much time doing his actual job as he did in this pathetic pr campaign he might not need to run or campaigns
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
9627 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:31 am to
I already know he is not competent.

No need to waste 5 million dollars
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16566 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:47 am to
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give him a $6M NIL budget and see how he does next year. That is middle of the road in SEC spending. Miss State spent $4M this year and we are at $2M along with USC at the bottom of the league.


Whether or not this reveals his competency or lack thereof or not, It is apparently what is going to be attempted. Now in may not be $6 million but allegedly it's going to be significantly more than what it was or at least was reported to be this year.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16566 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:55 am to
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He went to big donors looking for buyout money and they told him he gave him that ridiculous contract, pound sand.


Yeah, I have a different theory on this. I don't think he went to anyone looking for a buyout. I think people came to him and said "we have the solution just to the west and his two-year show cause ends this year".

I don't think Scott wanted to deal with this in any way, shape or form, but I think he knew if he could float the narrative to Mascona and other media about the NIL imbalance it could buy him at least another year and by that time someone else will have hired the guys just to the west and he'd have sidestepped what for him would be an awkward circumstance of even having to discuss it with prominent alumni.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9787 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:57 am to
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give him a $6M NIL budget and see how he does next year. That is middle of the road in SEC spending. Miss State spent $4M this year and we are at $2M along with USC at the bottom of the league.

There is absolutely no doubt that you morons parroting this bullshite are still double masking while driving alone in your cars and getting ready to line up for your 12th “vaccine” booster.
Posted by LSUFootballLover
BR
Member since Oct 2008
4147 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:05 am to
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Yeah, I have a different theory on this. I don't think he went to anyone looking for a buyout. I think people came to him and said "we have the solution just to the west and his two-year show cause ends this year". I don't think Scott wanted to deal with this in any way, shape or form, but I think he knew if he could float the narrative to Mascona and other media about the NIL imbalance it could buy him at least another year and by that time someone else will have hired the guys just to the west and he'd have sidestepped what for him would be an awkward circumstance of even having to discuss it with prominent alumni.


If you’re right, this is absolute AD malpractice. To think an instant solution to our problem could be found quickly and easily and is wanted by major boosters but his ego is too big to consider so we tank the program even further for another year just to sidestep an awkward circumstance.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16566 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:21 am to
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If you’re right, this is absolute AD malpractice. To think an instant solution to our problem could be found quickly and easily and is wanted by major boosters but his ego is too big to consider so we tank the program even further for another year


AD's have to deal with folks coming to them all the time and because some of these guys may have some money and influence they have to listen to some wild stuff all the time I'm sure.

This is a pretty unique circumstance and the politics of this WW thing is really difficult and I don't expect there is any chance of it happening, but I would be willing to bet Scott DEFINITELY does not want it to happen. And he's the AD, so......

I would add this, if you thing folks of influence aren't approaching Scott to reach out to WW that would be naive.

But if you also think other folks of influence aren't reaching out to him to say do that over my dead body that would also be naive.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 7:40 am
Posted by basiletiger
lafayette, la.
Member since Aug 2007
2422 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:14 am to
not the old "The NCAA threatened to destroy if we didn't offer up"...... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Posted by Slim
Poplarville, Mississippi
Member since Sep 2006
2846 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:16 am to
it’s coaching not the players. additional nil money wont make a difference. Mulkey doesn’t have the most talented players in the SEC, but she gets the most out of those players, she knows strategy and how to motivate her players, also makes some significant halftime adjustments.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 8:20 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32102 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:15 am to
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Yeah, I have a different theory on this. I don't think he went to anyone looking for a buyout. I think people came to him and said "we have the solution just to the west and his two-year show cause ends this year".

I don't think Scott wanted to deal with this in any way, shape or form, but I think he knew if he could float the narrative to Mascona and other media about the NIL imbalance it could buy him at least another year and by that time someone else will have hired the guys just to the west and he'd have sidestepped what for him would be an awkward circumstance of even having to discuss it with prominent alumni.


Anything is possible. But I tend to believe the simplest answer is often the best answer.

Woodward hasn't been shy about quickly firing underperforming coaches at LSU. He fired O, Mainieri (effectively) and Fargas within two years of him taking the LSU job. ALL of those coaches had a greater history of success at LSU than McMahon has had here. Hell, O was fired less than 2 years after the greatest season in LSU history. One that earned him a big raise and extension. Thus, it would be out of character for Woodward to just rubber-stamp bottom of the league results (LSU has been the worst program in the SEC over the last 3 seasons) for 3 years. He's knows how bad the program has been. He's seen (even from afar) how the interest and attendance is severely waning. So I do think he probably had backchannel discussions with potential donors about buying McMahon out.

The problem is he and LSU just went to those donors for a BIG push to support the football program. They bought out the entire defensive staff last season and, understandably, went "all in" on transfers ahead of this upcoming season. He likely went back to those same sources and they said "Sorry. We are tapped out for this year. You asked us to put all of our chips in on football, and we did." That means LSU doesn't have the money to pay MM's buyout and make a new hire. The hope is that next fall the football team will produce the ROI for the donors and bring in big money for the AD. If/when that happens some cash will be freed up to make a change in basketball.

Of course, the AD can't come out and say that. But he also has to craft some reason to justify bringing MM back for another year despite dismal results. That "justification" is to simply say he will be back with a bigger NIL commitment. By their nature, NIL figures are completely speculative. No one truly knows how much is or is not spent. The fans and media can't prove or disprove NIL data. That makes it an easy, unverifiable, excuse to sell.

Men's basketball won't suddenly get an influx of NIL money that, if you believe the AD, hasn't been there for 3 years. If that money was there it could (and likely would) be used just to buy out MM. Or it would have been spent earlier if increase NIL is the "magic elixir" to make MM a great HC. But the excuse will placate the masses who only follow basketball on a surface level, and buy another year of this waste of time until LSU has the funds to make a change. (see the topic of this thread as exhibit A)
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7058 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:08 pm to
That is very frustrating how other SEC coaches can land transfers from smaller schools whose play transfers well to league competition.

It’s yet another reason why I think McMahon is not the answer and it would be best if LSU basketball had a different head coach.
Posted by Kid Ray
Member since Nov 2024
463 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:27 pm to
PULL THE PLUG

Why put off the inevitable?
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16566 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:07 pm to
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Woodward hasn't been shy about quickly firing underperforming coaches at LSU. He fired O, Mainieri (effectively) and Fargas within two years of him taking the LSU job. ALL of those coaches had a greater history of success at LSU than McMahon has had here. Hell, O was fired less than 2 years after the greatest season in LSU history.


I'd counter that by saying folks care more about football and baseball than they do men's hoops and he can skate by a bit easier - as for the women he had an opportunity to hire Kim.

The irony is if he chose to rehire WW ticket sales would dramatically rise and the hire would I think reasonably pay for itself and the buyout in I think in a reasonable time.

But my theory is Scott does not want to go there and he's playing the slow game so he does not even have to deal with zealous donors who would pony up for that....draw it out until he's hired by Oklahoma or some other SEC school that might be looking for a coach after this year and you've dodged the bullet that would be embarrassing for you.

Honestly I think that's a pretty simple explanation in and of itself.....not saying it's right but it's absolutely possible in my view.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:44 pm to
Bailey ain't worth a dime in NIL and Sears either because of his height liability.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36246 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:08 pm to
Have him put his buyout up
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
3889 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:24 pm to
It's been pretty well established that the kid from Richmond (who's missing a few vowels in his first name) was paid $450k to come here

He's AT BEST the fifth best player on the team, so it's pretty obvious McMahon was working with considerably more than $2 million in NIL this year.

Don't put it past the AD to blow smoke up everyone's arse (regarding NIL) while PRAYING that Wade is hired away before the inevitable firing of this CLOWN after next season.
Posted by TygerLyfe
Member since May 2023
1977 posts
Posted on 2/26/25 at 7:20 pm to
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It’s the only other sport that makes money.



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