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re: If the orgeron experiment goes wrong how would you feel about Aranda being promoted?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 7:18 pm to tigersquad89
Posted on 12/30/17 at 7:18 pm to tigersquad89
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WHEN the orgeron experiment goes wrong how would you feel about Aranda being promoted?
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Posted on 12/30/17 at 7:22 pm to tigersquad89
quote:there were many on this board saying it.
Who was saying Cam Cameron should be a head coach?
Posted on 12/30/17 at 7:23 pm to tigersquad89
You must be new here
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:02 am to LSUKAT
Fair enough. Like I said, I like the guy so I wasn't trying to bad-mouth him. We were asked to comment about whether or not we think he would make a good head coach. Obviously he could but I was playing Devil's Advocate.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:03 am to tigersquad89
I would be ecstatic
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:05 am to tigersquad89
Considering the situation he would get the offer before losing him
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:08 am to tigersquad89
If LSU makes it to the SEC championship game next year will these threads stop?
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:23 am to tigersquad89
If we were going to promote from within we should have given aranda the job in 2016. When O fails I think LSU has no choice but to hire a proven hc.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:23 am to Topwater Trout
quote:I guess babysitting =raising a child thru adulthood then.
Interim stints at USC and LSU also
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:28 am to Mayhawman
Who would you trust more with a baby...someone who has taken care of one or someone who hasn’t?
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:30 am to Topwater Trout
So you’re saying babysitters make better parents than first-time parents? I doubt that.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
quote:When his only child was raised to an utter failure???????
Who would you trust more with a baby...someone who has taken care of one or someone who hasn’t?
There you go with that "devil you know" thinking again.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:42 am to Mo Jeaux
what have you bitched about for a year? We didn’t hire a guy who had the qualifications to be the head coach at a program like LSU correct? I seriously doubt you had any coordinators on your wish list to get the job...it was Jimbo and Herman correct?
I am not the one that has bitched about wanting a guy that has to be qualified...I personally wouldn’t mind taking a chance on a guy like Aranda. And it would be a chance since we don’t know if he could run a program.
I am not the one that has bitched about wanting a guy that has to be qualified...I personally wouldn’t mind taking a chance on a guy like Aranda. And it would be a chance since we don’t know if he could run a program.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:46 am to Topwater Trout
I’m not saying we should, per se. I’m just saying that if left with those two as the only choices, I’d much rather go with Aranda.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:49 am to Mo Jeaux
I love Aranda but did he even interview for the job?
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:51 am to Topwater Trout
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You don’t see the hypocrisy in saying it when we hired O yet ignoring it wanting to promote Aranda?
No because it's apples and oranges
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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No because it's apples and oranges
WTF the guideline is hiring a qualified head coach...a homerun hire meaning a guy who has been a head coach.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 12:37 pm to Topwater Trout
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WTF the guideline is hiring a qualified head coach...a homerun hire meaning a guy who has been a head coach.
3 of the 4 coaches in the playoff were first time HCs when hired
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:07 pm to tigersquad89
All for it.
It is still a risk, but as a presumed follow-on to a failed experiment that risk, at that point, is acceptable.
Aranda is a great communicator... with players. That's been documented. Part of the risk is how will he be with other "conventional" coaches. Adding the fact he was never a player.
And there's the risk of him never been a head coach before. That requires no explanation.
My biggest question would be about recruiting, like others have cited. There's no perfect strategy and approach and many bad ones. I'd say that's where experience matters the most.
It is still a risk, but as a presumed follow-on to a failed experiment that risk, at that point, is acceptable.
Aranda is a great communicator... with players. That's been documented. Part of the risk is how will he be with other "conventional" coaches. Adding the fact he was never a player.
And there's the risk of him never been a head coach before. That requires no explanation.
My biggest question would be about recruiting, like others have cited. There's no perfect strategy and approach and many bad ones. I'd say that's where experience matters the most.
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:25 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Well, I was a strong advocate of Aranda being the hire.
what have you bitched about for a year? We didn’t hire a guy who had the qualifications to be the head coach at a program like LSU correct? I seriously doubt you had any coordinators on your wish list to get the job...it was Jimbo and Herman correct?
Regarding qualifications; I was looking at past accomplishments, approach to the game, and future potential.
Aranda appears to be a huge student of the game, he even admits that. He comments on bowl preps that he can get too carried away, to the point that he analyzes every miniscule detail.
He also appears extremely structured. Nothing goes to chance, nothing is ignored or overlooked, or is done randomly. Every move has a purpose.
I felt like if we were going to move away from the established coach we had (Miles), there was not going to be another available that had a better resume (those would be Saban and Meyer, and honestly Meyer's resume is only better because he's on the upswing again at Ohio State). I thought Jimbo would have been possibly even, the others were all risks with less accomplished than what Miles had already done.
So, if you choose to move on, go ahead and take the chance on Aranda, and hope the perception that he is the next Saban is correct. Give him a couple years to acclimate to being the HC (Bama will dominate that time regardless of who we have), and hope by year 3 or so that he's evolved to elite.
Orgeron had a terrible run at Ole Miss, but I do think he's probably learned some things since then. I think he's probably a bit underestimated (because he's perceived as a pure idiot), but I don't think he has any top end potential. I think he's a decent caretaker, I don't think he has a strong and precise vision of how to build the program to greater heights, and I think he's better at ingratiating himself with powerful supporters to secure his position than he is at actually coaching. He wants to be king of LSU (or somewhere), he doesn't want or know how to be more.
I thought we went away from that, and wanted to stay away from that.
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