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re: I really believe we hear from the vocal minority on the O matter
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:41 pm to Odysseus32
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:41 pm to Odysseus32
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O has beefed up the lines and given us depth that we haven't had since 2011. Yeah some of them are just bodies but everyone bitching about that aspect really doesn't understand that those "bodies" can be what gives you a win in the 4th quarter when the other team's offensive tackles are huffing and puffing.
This makes no damn sense. Every team has 'bodies', but if theyre just 'bodies', then SEC players are blowing right past them in quarters 1-3
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Alleva and O retained Aranda. Don't give a frick by what metric, Aranda is here and one of the best coordinators in the nation.
Really? He gave up 24 points to Troy. Idaho, So. Alabama, and Akron did better
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O had a hell of a comeback last year after a loss that would have thrown any other team into an absolute spiral.
No, Canada was allowed to finally coach his offense, which turned the team around. When SE took over at the ND game, guess what? We lost
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We are in a better position than a lot of teams
No. No we are not.
There are 64 P5 teams. Of those 21 had as good or better record than us. If you throw in teams like UCF, ND, and Memphis then 36% of P5 or Top 25 schools are better than us right now
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 12:19 am to Space Cowboy
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Hey man...it's been a while. Has coach Miles found a new head coaching job again? Just kind of curious you know.
you dont even realize that youre shitting on your dad when you post this.
for 29 of his 32 year career he couldnt even get even coordinator job offers
Posted on 2/19/18 at 12:23 am to Space Cowboy
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Won't be long, we'll be competing for championships again and you will be very miserable and I will be very joyful and happy. Todaloo.
he just had the easiest schedule he will ever have and he still lost 4 games.
in just 14 games he has the worst loss in the 100+ year history of the lsu vs msu game and the 1st loss to a mid major since 2000.
he is 2-3 against teams with less than 6 losses.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 1:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
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in just 14 games he has the worst loss in the 100+ year history of the lsu vs msu game and the 1st loss to a mid major since 2000.
We lost both those games because Miles left O a team with no depth. Say what you want but there is no one that can make me believe Mississippi State or any other team, for that matter, would score 37 points on a Dave Aranda coached defense unless there was a serious depth issue, and there was, but that problem has now been addressed by O and Aranda.
Moreover, if you didn't hate coach O with a passion you'd admit. it.
It was the same thing with Troy State, we had even more players out for that game. Not to mention, that Troy was a damn good 12 and 2 team that would have easily beaten a lot of SEC teams last year at full strength. That was not a bad or even an embarrassing loss at the end of the season once it became very apparent how good of a team Troy State was. Nevertheless, in that game because of a very serious lack of depth, we couldn't stop that big Troy running back and they outscored up, although we were coming back strong at the end.
In fact, we lost both of those games that Rashard Lawrence missed last season due to injury, not to mention that Guice didn't even play a damn down in that Troy game. You're right there is no excuse for Les Miles leaving O so high and dry.
Not making excuses, but nonetheless, like I said, Les Miles left O high and dry in the trenches on both side of the football, and if you don't believe me, go read that 2 part Aranda interview in the Advocate.
Nevertheless, once we healed up from the injuries again O went 6 and 1 when all you Einsteins were saying, "we told you so, we told you so", while all claiming he would be lucky to win just one more game for the rest of the season. If anyone made a fool out of themselves it was you Einsteins that made complete and utter fools out of yourselves.
In fact, I was very proud of O's strong comeback in the face of all that adversity. Nonetheless, you guys still act as if he finished 4 and 9 instead of 9 and 4.
In any event, LSU will be improved and better than it was last year. Yet you Einsteins are all saying 5 and 7 and 6 and 6, which is nothing but wishful thinking.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:00 am to Space Cowboy
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We lost both those games because Miles left O a team with no depth
Miles had some faults but not being deep at a particular position (aside from QB) wasn't one of them.
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if you didn't hate coach O with a passion you'd admit. it.
Still at it, huh? Maybe if you didn't blindly support him without looking at facts, you might admit what's going on but do what you want. It's no wonder no one takes you seriously.
O has the talent that most football programs drool over at his fingertips but the part you aren't getting is that he doesn't know how to utilize that talent to it's full potential. Hating the man has nothing to do with it, you should probably write that down. I do not hate him but he isn't utilizing his players effectively and he sure isn't going to do better than his predecessor.
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It was the same thing with Troy State, we had even more players out for that game.
And who was the recruiting coordinator? Particularly for the defensive line?
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once we healed up from the injuries again O went 6 and 1
Against teams that had lost at least 6 games so let's not pretend it was like we beat Bama and the Patriots. We beat one team with a winning record last year, that would be Auburn.
It's been said numerous times but it has to be mentioned, in a very weak SEC, the best O could do was 9-4. Again, one team we beat had a winning record.
All of this is factual.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:15 am to Odysseus32
Im 40 I started watching LSU in the late 80s.
went to every game in the mid to late 90s as a student. I have seen this team build up to top 10 and fall to 3 wins already.
I remember some very bad days.
This is the worst hire I have seen.
went to every game in the mid to late 90s as a student. I have seen this team build up to top 10 and fall to 3 wins already.
I remember some very bad days.
This is the worst hire I have seen.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:37 am
Posted on 2/19/18 at 11:32 am to la_birdman
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Miles had some faults but not being deep at a particular position (aside from QB) wasn't one of them.
Okay, so, in other words, you are saying that Dave Aranda is just a piss poor defensive coordinator that allowed Moo State to score 37 points on his defense and lack of depth, courtesy of Les Miles, had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Then why in the hell did we give him such a big damn raise?
You are also saying, at the same time, that what Aranda said about that lack of depth in his two-part interview with the Advocate last week is nothing but a Gawd damn lie.
So we are supposed to believe that you are right, and Dave Aranda is just a Gawd damn liar and a horrible Defensive Coordinator.
Whatever you are smoking buddy, you ought to bottle it up and put it for sale. You will get very rich very fast.
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Maybe if you didn't blindly support him without looking at facts,
I do look at facts, but your problem is you couldn't recognize a fact even if it stared at you, winked at you, and then spit in your eyes. Give me a break.
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I do not hate him but he isn't utilizing his players effectively and he sure isn't going to do better than his predecessor.
Therefore, you and your ilk are predicting a worse season this year because you all believe that O is destroying the program.
However, you're all completely wrong. LSU will actually be significantly better this season because O is doing a damn good job overall. It's not perfect, but it is still significantly better than his incompetent predecessor.
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And who was the recruiting coordinator? Particularly for the defensive line?
First of all, you genius, O didn't become the recruiting coordinator until January 16, 2016, after his predecessor left to take over his new head coaching job.
Second, making personnel recruiting decisions are not what recruiting coordinators do. I'm sorry. That's what head coaches do.
Any head coach too damn lazy to do his damn job deserves to be fired. You think Coach O entrusted his recruiting coordinator to make all those personnel decisions for him?
And you claim to be sane? Give me a break. No wonder you are so damn misguided. You don't know if you are coming or going you are so lost in space.
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Against teams that had lost at least 6 games so let's not pretend it was like we beat Bama and the Patriots. We beat one team with a winning record last year, that would be Auburn.
That's meaningless, we won those damn games. We came from behind and beat a very good Auburn team after you loons were so damn negative against O in the first half that you Einstien's grossed me out of the Rant for the rest of the game. Would you rather we have lost those games? Don't answer that question because I know already the answer is yes!
Meanwhile, Troy State finished 12 and 2 and you geniuses consider the Troy state loss to be one of the worst losses ever in LSU history, which is ridiculous. Even though we had even more players out for that game than we had out for the Moo State loss. I mean Ed Alexander, Rashard Lawrence and Darius Guice didn't even play at all in that game.
Meanwhile, our defense couldn't stop Troy's big arse running back in that game for nothing, not because Dave Aranda is an awful Defensive Coordinator and a Gawd damn liar as you insinuate, but because he had no depth, and the only reason he had no depth, is because Les Miles left O with very little depth in the trenches.
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It's been said numerous times but it has to be mentioned, in a very weak SEC, the best O could do was 9-4. Again, one team we beat had a winning record. All of this is factual.
Go take a hike, you Einstein! Like I said and then proved, you couldn't recognize a fact even if it stared you in the face, winked at you, kissed you, and then spit in your damn eyes.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/19/18 at 11:37 am to Space Cowboy
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Okay, so, in other words, you are saying that Dave Aranda is just a piss poor defensive coordinator that allowed Moo State to score 37 points on his defense and lack of depth, courtesy of Les Miles, had nothing whatsoever to do with it. They why in the hell did we give him such a big damn raise?
We had Lawrence, Herron, Alexander and Neil out. You’re gonna end up thin when you lose 4/6 in your 2 deep. Just remember building DL Depthnis why O was there in the first place.
O was brought in to get big time DL and has brought in Lawrence and Alexander but Shelvin was ineligible. We couldn’t bill Oliver or Wilson. Who would have been helpful this year. O probably should have grabbed some JUCOs in the last class for depth, but he is a step behind.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 12:16 pm to SammyTiger
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We had Lawrence, Herron, Alexander and Neil out. You’re gonna end up thin when you lose 4/6 in your 2 deep. Just remember building DL Depthnis why O was there in the first place.
When Miles was the head coach, O didn't make personnel decisions. He gave his input to Miles but it was Miles who ultimately made all those decisions. After all, Les Miles was the head coach. O wasn't hired to do Miles job for him. That's utterly absurd.
Meanwhile, O did his job and coached the defensive players that Miles brought into the team. That's the way it works.
It's a humongous leap of faith to blame O for those problems caused by Les Miles' decisions.
Not to mention as well, that you are totally ignoring the tremendous lack of depth along the offensive trenches at the same time just to go out of your way to try to blame O for Miles's horrible decisions. Was that somehow O's fault too? Man...give me a damn break.
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O was brought in to get big time DL and has brought in Lawrence and Alexander but Shelvin was ineligible. We couldn’t bill Oliver or Wilson. Who would have been helpful this year. O probably should have grabbed some JUCOs in the last class for depth, but he is a step behind.
Don't forget Key? Key was brought in by O as well. Nonetheless, O recruited who the hell Les Miles told him to recruit. He was the assistant coach and Les Miles was the head coach if I remember correctly.
O was brought in and hired by Les Miles because of his excellent and incomparable reputation as being a great recruiter and a hell of a defensive line coach after Miles had robbed him from Dan Mullen who wanted O to be his new Defensive Coordinator.
He wasn't brought in though to do Miles's job for him, no matter how hard you try to paint it that way to vilify coach O today. Give me a damn break. Sorry, but that's not the way it works and certainly not the way it worked.
Moreover, that 2017 recruiting class although not the highest rated was one of the best recruiting classes we ever had, and this season's recruiting class will also prove out in the long-term to be a very good recruiting class as well. You haters have no clue.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 1:34 pm to Space Cowboy
Posted on 2/19/18 at 4:58 pm to Space Cowboy
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When Miles was the head coach, O didn't make personnel decisions. He gave his input to Miles but it was Miles who ultimately made all those decisions. After all, Les Miles was the head coach. O wasn't hired to do Miles job for him. That's utterly absurd.
So you’re saying Les told O not to get DLinemen? Because that’s 1. bullshite. (Les brought in O to do exactly that) 2. Irrelevant because last class was Os starting in October. He could have gone after some JUCOs and didn’t.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:18 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You are a pathetic LSU fan..... you hope LSU goes 2-10 next year.... fact....... your post sure sound like it..... did we lose to a team with a losing record??? NO.... is it O's fault that the schedule ended up sucking???? NO.... you won't look at things any other way if it doesn't fit YOUR agenda..... you are a fraud and a fake.... FACT...... and don't even start with you NOT defending crap.... You will go to NO end to defend Miles... whether you post facts or not.... you will never post anything positive about O, whether they are facts or not.... you are the dumbest person to ever post on this site..........
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:19 pm to Space Cowboy
You have issues.... serious ones.... take a pill or something... damn , you are reaching Rickydaddy status the way your last few posts are going....
Posted on 2/19/18 at 5:30 pm to Odysseus32
O is trash
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:36 pm to GeauxBreauxs
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O is trash
Posted on 2/19/18 at 8:33 pm to tigertex1992
But you know it's a lot easier to slip with really bad recruiting - which isn't a problem for us and hasn't been for some time. Bad coaching and recruiting killed us through most of the 90s....
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:06 pm to dukke v
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You are a pathetic LSU fan.
says the guy that's never stepped foot in the state , let alone TS.
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ou hope LSU goes 2-10 next year.... fact....... your post sure sound like it..
so youre admitting that you wanted lsu to lose under miles?
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did we lose to a team with a losing record??
irrelevant
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NO.... is it O's fault that the schedule ended up sucking?
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O.... you won't look at things any other way if it doesn't fit YOUR agenda
posting facts about O isnt an agenda. its called reality. quote:
you are a fraud and a fake.... FACT....
thats the exact opposite of a fact
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and don't even start with you NOT defending crap....
facts isnt defending or bashing. its called reality
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You will go to NO end to defend Miles... whether you post facts or not
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you will never post anything positive about O, whether they are facts or n
so im supposed to make up positive things O has done at lsu?
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you are the dumbest person to ever post on this site..........
says the guy that, up until last week, thought we lost only 3 games.
its glorious watching you apply logic to other posters that you didnt apply to yourself during the last regime.
and everyone knows youre the least knowledgeable poster on this site.
you wouldn't know what the 9 route was if your life depended on it.
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you are the dumbest person to ever post on this site..
awww did somebody post something that shits all over your football ignorant opinions? And yet you say i make unprovoked personal attacks when someone posts things i dont like.
what kind of shite lsu fan gets so upset about facts that paint lsu from 2005-2016 in a positive light?
the kind that has never stepped foot in TS and hates miles was more than they like lsu.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:08 pm to dukke v
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you are reaching Rickydaddy status the way your last few posts are going
says the guy that didn't know what an individual record was in cfb.
i stay on your alcohol drowned brain.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:39 pm to la_birdman
Lol, besides lack of depth and talent at qb?! You mean the most important position on the field, who touches the ball every play besides wildcat and trick plays, and is responsible for reading a defense, calling audibles, and operating/managing an offense? The qb position thst should be able to throw the damn ball effectively if youre at a program like lsu and to take pressure off of the run game, or at least capitalize when the run game is effective? We had no qb man, period. Thats why bama has had our number for 7 straight...we had a below average qb and saban exploited it. We were still in close games with them regardless, but with good qb play, we would have won a couple of those games. Last season was a perfect example. Etling missed so many opportunities through the air that it cost us a chance at winning. That qb position? Haha, qb is kind of important don't you think? We also had depth and inexperience on both sides of the line of scrimmage that we had to deal with. We simply were not going to contend for a title last season, and Idgaf who the coach was. We went 9-4, is it what we hold expect every year? Hell no, but acting like it was a total underachievement for last year's team is just stupidity.
I agree that if O doesn't improve over the next 2 years, that he should and will be gone. But damn, he went 9-4 in his first full season with all of the adversity we had to deal with on our depth chart. Give him a frickin chance before you want to run him off.
I agree that if O doesn't improve over the next 2 years, that he should and will be gone. But damn, he went 9-4 in his first full season with all of the adversity we had to deal with on our depth chart. Give him a frickin chance before you want to run him off.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 9:52 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
No kidding. That’s no secret under Miles. Back to the original point though, O was hired and made recruiting coordinator to, IMO, focus on what was his strengths and that was the defensive line.
My point in pointing that out is that while we finished 9-4, which looks pretty good on paper, one should also keep in mind that we beat one team with a winning record. To not keep that in mind is simply not being realistic. We could have finished 8-5, if Florida, who didn’t even go to a bowl game, made that PAT.
I did. Here you go
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acting like it was a total underachievement for last year's team is just stupidity.
My point in pointing that out is that while we finished 9-4, which looks pretty good on paper, one should also keep in mind that we beat one team with a winning record. To not keep that in mind is simply not being realistic. We could have finished 8-5, if Florida, who didn’t even go to a bowl game, made that PAT.
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Give him a frickin chance before you want to run him off.
I did. Here you go
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 10:14 pm
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