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re: I have a want to explain something to you about Les Miles.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 12:58 pm to bigbowe80
Posted on 10/20/10 at 12:58 pm to bigbowe80
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Not gonna do anything for future game prep other than coaches will probably laugh when they see how Mcneese screwed themselves and make sure somebody watches contain (which any decently coached team will do anyway, I don't think I've ever seen all 11 players totally abandon conatinment on a punt that wasn't a deliberate fake.)
I know and understand it's a read from Jasper, that is not what is in question.
TowandaTiger said we hold back to not show things for film, so isn't the fact that we show this read against McNeese putting on film to show future opponents? As a result, making other coaches laugh and having them make sure someone is there with containment duties.
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Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:00 pm to NHTIGER
quote:tsk tsk....Using this, when others like you bitch about losing to Arkansas and Kentucky in that very same season.
Do you mean winning by scores like 45-0, 48-7, 44-0 or 58-10?
Which WE did ...
under this same coach ...
in a National Championship season
Who's to say coach Miles didn't learn something about coaching in the SEC that year? Maybe there were a few plays used in those blow out wins that had we not used them then, they would've been more effective when we really needed them.
This post was edited on 10/20/10 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:03 pm to tketaco
quote:
I'm thinking it's a player to be honest.
Yeah its probable Jordan Jefferson trying to cover his own arse and Les Miles for keeping him in. And maybe the picture of Bert Jones is an attempt to cover up his identity.
quote:
Maybe there were a few plays used in those blow out wins that had we not used them then, they would've been more effective when we really needed them.
Do you really believe that? Now you're trying entirely too hard to cover your own arguement. If a coach was THAT smart, he wouldnt be trying to sub in his entire team with 20 seconds left on the clock and 0 timeouts.
This post was edited on 10/20/10 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:16 pm to Howie Feltersnatch
quote:
Do you really believe that? Now you're trying entirely too hard to cover your own arguement. If a coach was THAT smart, he wouldnt be trying to sub in his entire team with 20 seconds left on the clock and 0 timeouts.
But he did better the next game, so we should forgive and forget!!!!!
Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:25 pm to Scrowe
quote:Sarcasm is at a loss at this point. I thought the end of the Florida game was one of the better clock management coaching displays to date. It could be said that other coaches should try to do as well. I bet "The Ole Ball Coach" from USCe won't be cracking anymore jokes about Miles anytime soon.
But he did better the next game, so we should forgive and forget!!!!!
Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:43 pm to Scrowe
quote:
I know and understand it's a read from Jasper, that is not what is in question.
TowandaTiger said we hold back to not show things for film, so isn't the fact that we show this read against McNeese putting on film to show future opponents? As a result, making other coaches laugh and having them make sure someone is there with containment duties.
Ok I guess we are going to just have to agree to disagree on what the defination of that play was(and you sound like your just being stubborn to help prove your point).
I don't think taking advantage of a busted play is ever a "showing your hand". Would you rather Jasper just go ahead and punt anyway despite having a free first down? Maybe it's just me but "showing your hand" is when Jasper runs a designed fake field goal right?
The coaches watching film would have laughed at Jasper if he WOULDN'T have run it, they still would have seen nobody in contain and told their players don't be like Mcneese. Nothing to do with Jasper chosing to go for the first or not.
C'mon buddy I think your just trying to prove a point and I actually agree with you on most of the rest of what your saying but seriously let this one go.
This post was edited on 10/20/10 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 10/20/10 at 1:52 pm to bigbowe80
quote:
I don't think taking advantage of a busted play is ever a "showing your hand". Would you rather Jasper just go ahead and punt anyway despite having a free first down? Maybe it's just me but "showing your hand" is when Jasper runs a designed fake field goal right?
If that was Jasper's hot read on that play then that was one hell of a good play on his part. Definitely good coaching to have him looking for something like that and a good read by him.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:00 pm to icarus
quote:I know with relative certainty that this is exactly what happened.
If that was Jasper's hot read on that play then that was one hell of a good play on his part. Definitely good coaching to have him looking for something like that and a good read by him.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:06 pm to TowandaTiger
Well then kudos to Jasper for a hell of a play. It did look like he thought about it for a second or two before deciding to go for it
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:14 pm to TowandaTiger
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He prefers to navigate his way through the schedule, keeping it close to the vest until he absolutely needs to get aggressive. This is how he coaches and it's exciting
So you are saying he planned on the Clock management games such as Auburn in 07, Ole Miss in 09 and Tennessee this year gust to keep it exciting...I call BS!
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:14 pm to TowandaTiger
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Bottom lin is we've played, if not the toughest then one of the toughest schedule in the country and we're 7-0. ....bad teams??
And we are 2 incomplete passes in the last 6 seconds against a team that shouldn't have been in the game
and
a total meltdown and screwup against another team that shouldn't have been in the game
and
needing a trick play and a drive against another team that shouldn't have been in the game
from being 4-3.
The reason that people are upset is that they feel in their hearts that continued close play and reliance on breaks like those above will result in games being lost that should have been won.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:17 pm to Scrowe
quote:Slim chance of that.
forgive and forget
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Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:24 pm to ksliman
quote:You make it sound like we had nothing to do with those passes being incomplete. Yes, they made a great come back against us, and against our great defense. But we won.
And we are 2 incomplete passes in the last 6 seconds against a team that shouldn't have been in the game
quote:Not gonna argue about that. It was indeed epic. But we won.
a total meltdown and screwup against another team that shouldn't have been in the game
quote:Surely you're not bitching about Florida? Good Lord, there's no way to respond to that statement. ..except, we won.
needing a trick play and a drive against another team that shouldn't have been in the game
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:42 pm to TowandaTiger
quote:
I know with relative certainty that this is exactly what happened.
The only way this is possible is that you're either one of the coaches or a player. Therefore, you're obviously just trying to take up for Miles. Kudos to you for that and i think you should, as should we and we do. But at the same time, it is very obvious that the guy has bad clock management skills and suffers at other parts in his coaching abilities. That doesn't mean he hasnt done good things for the program, but when 85% of the fans and sports analysis(which by the way get PAID to watch and critique these things so im sure they know what they're talking about) are all saying the same things.. I would have to venture that there was some truth in all of this! But hey what do we know
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:43 pm to bigbowe80
quote:
Ok I guess we are going to just have to agree to disagree on what the defination of that play was(and you sound like your just being stubborn to help prove your point).
I don't think taking advantage of a busted play is ever a "showing your hand". Would you rather Jasper just go ahead and punt anyway despite having a free first down? Maybe it's just me but "showing your hand" is when Jasper runs a designed fake field goal right?
The coaches watching film would have laughed at Jasper if he WOULDN'T have run it, they still would have seen nobody in contain and told their players don't be like Mcneese. Nothing to do with Jasper chosing to go for the first or not.
C'mon buddy I think your just trying to prove a point and I actually agree with you on most of the rest of what your saying but seriously let this one go.
The whole point of that was saying that if he was so set on not showing things on film for opponents, then this would not have been shown. May have been a little over the top with the example (or chosen a bad one), but TowandaTiger stated "The less we give the Auburns and Alabamas to look at on film, the better.", which is why I used the fake punt as an example.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 2:53 pm to Scrowe
quote:The point you're making has it's merits, but the problem with this particular example is we had already used that play earlier this season. So it's not like we were showing something NEW. - - And by the way, other coaches knowing we can and do run fake punts is not entirely a bad thing. Makes it more difficult for them to set up returns.....keeps em honest at all times.
The whole point of that was saying that if he was so set on not showing things on film for opponents, then this would not have been shown. May have been a little over the top with the example (or chosen a bad one), but TowandaTiger stated "The less we give the Auburns and Alabamas to look at on film, the better.", which is why I used the fake punt as an example.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 3:30 pm to MountainTiger
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I see. So when he substituted half the offense on the 1 yard line with 20 seconds left and no timeouts, he was just playing it close to the vest. What a fox.
Posted on 10/20/10 at 3:44 pm to Howie Feltersnatch
quote:Not really. It was the second time we had punted in the game and on our first punt everyone on the McNeese D bailed out before the ball was punted and I thought then that if our punter had any awareness he could have easily run for the first down. Well next time we set up to punt he did. It was a hot read based on what McNeese did the first time we punted.
The only way this is possible is that you're either one of the coaches or a player. Therefore, you're obviously just trying to take up for Miles
Posted on 10/20/10 at 3:58 pm to TowandaTiger
I give LSU credit for batting down the passes against UNC and making the plays against Florida.
My point is that these games were TOO close when they shouldn't have been and I blame that on the coaching staff. LSU cannot continue to rely on making the plays everytime it is in a close game, especially when it sahouldn't have been in the first place.
My point is that these games were TOO close when they shouldn't have been and I blame that on the coaching staff. LSU cannot continue to rely on making the plays everytime it is in a close game, especially when it sahouldn't have been in the first place.
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