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re: I hate saying a bowl win gives us 10 wins. 10 REGULAR SEASON wins is the bar at LSU.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:10 pm to CatfishJohn
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:10 pm to CatfishJohn
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I think the fair way to play it is after Saban
You’re the one who started talking about post-Dinardo.
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we've also had two firings
I don’t see why this should matter. It’s not like the 2016 or 2021 teams would have won 10 games if the coach hadn’t been fired.
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and a shortened COVID year that just doesn't count
That doesn’t count? What?
If we went like 8-2 or even 7-3 I might agree with you. We went 5-5.
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That's 8/17 remaining years, but we can call it 8/19. That's almost half.
So to summarize, you want to:
A) Exclude Saban’s first two years (given what he inherited from Dinardo) despite previously trying to limit the discussion to post-Dinardo.
B) Despite point A, ignore the fact that LSU was a <.500 team the two years before Kelly got here (worst two seasons since Dinardo).
C) Ignore the seasons that got the last 2 coaches fired, but count the rebuilding period right after those seasons.
D) Ignore the COVID season where we went .500 in conference play.
E) After all of that, still round up to “almost half” - meaning it’s still not something we’ve done consistently.
I’m not saying we need to be excited about a 9-3 regular season. But it’s certainly not something to melt over.
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:11 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Catfish.john a committee of 1
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:21 pm to atltiger6487
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10 wins used to be a big deal, but that was back when the regular season was 11 games and there were only a dozen or so bowls.
When was the last time LSU played an 11-game regular season? (Hint: It was 2016)
I guess 12 regular season games became the new normal around 2006, though. So, a winning season with a bowl, but no SECCG, was a 13-game season.
But this mythical 10-2 you guys imply (a 9-win team back in the day went to a bowl except 1969) almost never happened at LSU.
LSU never won 10 games in a season before 1959 (except 1908, which was 10-0) and that was 11-0. LSU wouldn't win 10 games in a season, again, until 1987 (Archer, 10-1-1).
The other mythical "10-win" that otherwise qualifies for you cats is Dinardo's 1996 (which needed a Peach Bowl win to get to 10) 10-2. Saban registered a 10-3, as did O and Miles did it a bunch of times.
Mac never won 10 games. Dietzel only did it once. Saban had a 13-1 and a 10-3 out of 5 seasons. Miles averaged 10+ wins until the wheels fell off.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:21 pm to atltiger6487
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With 3 cupcakes this year
Most teams play 2/3 cupcakes, why isn’t EVERYONE getting to 10 wins?
Oh that’s right, because it’s hard to do and should be applauded when it happens. But not on tigerdroppings
Like I said, a healthy portion of our fanbase is entitled and spoiled, and don’t realize how good we have it. frick, for awhile, I couldn’t remember the last time we got to November and weren’t considered contenders for that year.
We have it better than 95% of CFB fans yet all we ever do is bitch, whine, and want to fire everybody at the first sign of trouble
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:23 pm to lostinbr
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If we went like 8-2 or even 7-3 I might agree with you. We went 5-5.
We played only 10, had no out of conference easy win games, it was fricked up season regardless because of COVID protocols, fans in stands, etc.
I have always been consistent saying that year is just total bullshite. Alabama fans love to hear it
Regardless of conversation, I usually remove 2020 from statistics, always. Garbage year. I also think COVID poured napalm on the fire that was Ed Orgeron's slowly burning personal life and commitment to the program. Who knows what would've happened.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:28 pm to lostinbr
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A) Exclude Saban’s first two years (given what he inherited from Dinardo) despite previously trying to limit the discussion to post-Dinardo.
All I meant by saying that was to look at the era after our program was elevated by Saban. Don't get wrapped around the axle. Once our program was elevated, we have had 8 seasons with 10 regular season wins and I think that should be the benchmark.
And the point of the thread was also just to say I can't stand it when people count bowl games in the 10 win statement.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:51 pm to CatfishJohn
How it started:
How it ended:
You took the long route of saying “I can’t believe people are satisfied with a 10 win season” and tried to fluff it up as if you were upset that they count the bowl win as a regular season win
Like I said, entitled and spoiled
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And the point of the thread was also just to say I can't stand it when people count bowl games in the 10 win statement.
How it ended:
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There are more games now, we are a better program now. We shouldn't had 10 wins THIS year. Ole Miss was an abomination. That performance, and not winning 10 regular season games, will be the types of things that keep us out of a 12-team playoff. We recruit in the top 10, we pay our staff in the top 10, we should be in the top 10, which, at the end of the year, means 10 regular season wins. If you think that's unfair considering our in-state talent and football budget, then I think that is a loser mentality.
You took the long route of saying “I can’t believe people are satisfied with a 10 win season” and tried to fluff it up as if you were upset that they count the bowl win as a regular season win
Like I said, entitled and spoiled
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:05 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:you think Ohio State would applaud 10-3.
Like I said, a healthy portion of our fanbase is entitled and spoiled, and don’t realize how good we have it. frick, for awhile, I couldn’t remember the last time we got to November and weren’t considered contenders for that year.
We have it better than 95% of CFB fans yet all we ever do is bitch, whine, and want to fire everybody at the first sign of trouble
Alabama?
Georgia?
When you've reached the mountaintop, expectations get changed. There's a higher standard. That's just natural.
I'm not "entitled" to expect LSU to be in the hunt for championships most years, given our fertile recruiting base, facilities, and other resources (and the fact that we've won 3 NCs in the last 20 years, and played for a 4th).
Now yes, O left the program in shambles and Kelly needs some time to fix it.
Our wins this year (not counting cupcakes) were against teams with 7, 8, 2, 6, 7, and 5 losses.
Forgive me if I don't celebrate 10-3 (assuming we win our bowl game).
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:09 pm to Brazos
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How is next year our best chance when we lose basically all our production on offense?
Ask the head football coach yourself, they were his words.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:09 pm to atltiger6487
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you think Ohio State would applaud 10-3. Alabama?
That is not the norm, those are the exceptions. Bama has built a juggernaut and osu plays in a weak arse conference and only has MAYBE 1/2 tests a year…
Plus, you named two of the worst fanbases in CFB. I really don’t want to be anything like those weirdos..
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:17 pm to TheRouxGuru
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you think Ohio State would applaud 10-3. Alabama?
quote:uh yea. Just like we expect LSU to be an exception.
That is not the norm, those are the exceptions.
You're fine with us being 9-3 regular season and then once in awhile catch fire and compete for the NC?
I think we should be better than that.
Does that mean we go 11-1 every year? Of course not.
But 9-3 most years isn't what an elite program like LSU should strive for, or be content with.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:22 pm to CatfishJohn
Kelly is a victim of his own success. Had we won one less game last season and not won the west, no one would have been too upset considering the situation the team was in.
Then follow that up with what happened this season… of course everyone is rightfully upset about the defense. But we won 9 games. No one would be overly upset about 9 games in year two had we not won the west last season.
Then follow that up with what happened this season… of course everyone is rightfully upset about the defense. But we won 9 games. No one would be overly upset about 9 games in year two had we not won the west last season.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:22 pm to CatfishJohn
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10 REGULAR SEASON wins is the bar at LSU
I see why you are yelling on a message board.
I’d be pissed too if my baseline for success wasn’t something done only 7 times over the last 40 or so years.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:23 pm to atltiger6487
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uh yea. Just like we expect LSU to be an exception.
Expectations and reality are often times very different. This is one of those times. LSU fans have unreasonable expectations for the most part. Doesn’t help that our rival has been perched on top for a decade+
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You're fine with us being 9-3 regular season and then once in awhile catch fire and compete for the NC?
I suggest branching out and watching more games than just LSU games. Like I said, there are about 100 other schools that would switch places with us in a heartbeat… a little perspective would help out a lot of y’all. There’s only a handful of teams that are as successful as we are
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But 9-3 most years isn't what an elite program like LSU should strive for, or be content with.
I’m not content with a 9-3 finish. I would LIKE more, but going undefeated or 11-1 is really, really difficult to do every single year. So yea, I take the good with the bad and for now am very satisfied with where we’ve been, and where we’re going. Maybe I’m just not as cutthroat as some of y’all, I don’t know
Joe Burrow ruined football season for a lot of y’all. The PERFECT season…. Man, if only we could do that every year… y’all would still probably want the equipment staff, the water boy, and/or whoever picks out our uniform combos fired
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:33 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:I watch a lot of other games outside of the SEC. And I don't care one iota if Indiana, Iowa State, Arizona, NC State etc. would switch places with us. That's irrelevant.
I suggest branching out and watching more games than just LSU games. Like I said, there are about 100 other schools that would switch places with us in a heartbeat… a little perspective would help out a lot of y’all.
quote:you're misdirecting.
Joe Burrow ruined football season for a lot of y’all. The PERFECT season…. Man, if only we could do that every year… y’all would still probably want the equipment staff, the water boy, and/or whoever picks out our uniform combos fired
Burrow, and the 2019 offense, was exceptional. Every rational fan knows not to expect 2019 every year, or even ever again.
But we don't expect 9-3 either.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:42 pm to atltiger6487
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But we don't expect 9-3 either.
This shite is just laughable to me… who the frick are you?
You just proved EXACTLY what I’ve been saying this entire thread. 9-3 is a good season. Is it great? Hell no it’s not GREAT, but I can at the very least appreciate the fact that we aren’t perennial bottom dwellers like vandy, MSU, Florida
, South Carolina, etc… I bet you won the natty every single year in NCAA14 huh? Don’t lie, you know I’m right
Posted on 11/27/23 at 2:58 pm to Load Toad
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I hate saying a bowl win gives us 10 wins. 10 REGULAR SEASON wins is the bar at LSU. by Load Toad
10 wins per year is a great start for Kelly.
Especially after I and others wrote both of these teams off fairly early. The character of his teams, so far, has been tough and resilient, however bad on special teams last year and awful on defense this year ( going back to last season, actually).
Posted on 11/27/23 at 3:34 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:that makes you happy -- that we're not a bottom dweller? Low bar, my man.
Hell no it’s not GREAT, but I can at the very least appreciate the fact that we aren’t perennial bottom dwellers like vandy, MSU, Florida, South Carolina, etc
quote:I'm an adult - I don't play video games.
I bet you won the natty every single year in NCAA14 huh?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 3:51 pm to CatfishJohn
10 is awfully high considering prior to 2000 10 win seasons were few and far between.
I would say 8 is the bar at LSU. No reason we shouldn't be able to win 4-5 conference games every year. It might be tougher with OU and Texas joining, because they're now going to have SEC level resources. But if a head coach at lsu ever wins 7 games or less, they need to be on the hot seat.
I'm just happy the program is already in a better place than where Coach O left it.
I would say 8 is the bar at LSU. No reason we shouldn't be able to win 4-5 conference games every year. It might be tougher with OU and Texas joining, because they're now going to have SEC level resources. But if a head coach at lsu ever wins 7 games or less, they need to be on the hot seat.
I'm just happy the program is already in a better place than where Coach O left it.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:20 pm to Bonkers119
quote:you're basing current expectations on what happened over a quarter century ago?
10 is awfully high considering prior to 2000 10 win seasons were few and far between.
And you say 8 wins is the current bar at LSU?!?!?
Good lord.
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