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re: I don’t think people understand how QB battles work

Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:19 pm to
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6707 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:19 pm to
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Joe was on the OSU bench when Urban stuck with Barrett!


I think you missed the point. But for the sake of argument, there was probably a good reason JB was on the bench.

Would it make the point more clear if I had said Tom Brady? It doesn't matter who. If the guy on the bench is good, he will start over someone who sucks as much as the idiots on TD think the current starter does.

CBK won't be coaching long if he's going to try and lose. He'll start the best option whether he was the coach to bring him here or not.

Thinking the current backups won't be given a fair evaluation is just plain ignorant. But then again, this is the rant.
Posted by eugene1928LSU
Shreveport, La
Member since Oct 2013
2926 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:19 pm to
Plain and simple if healthy and he does the work in the spring and fall camp, JD is the starter next year. If Nuss and Howard progress really well, when and if things don't go well during a game with JD, maybe, Coach K pulls him out quicker than he did this past season.
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
1558 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:53 pm to
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No coach, not even Les Miles, would start JD over the next Joe Burrow if he were on the bench.


A coach might if he looked at Joe Burrow, and didn't realize how good he could be.

Urban Meyer obviously did, right? And Urban knows a lot about QB's, right?

I think many of you have an unhealthy faith in the abilities of experts to make the right decision.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47004 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:03 pm to
See Tua/Hurts
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
710 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:05 pm to
Daniels had a couple of bad games, but he was playing well against Georgia. I do think he’ll face more spies next year. I don’t know why it took teams so long to scheme against Daniels, so Daniels will need to improve as a passer to have equal success next year.

The problem for Nuss is that I think Kelly has an established opinion of his ability, and he will have a hard time changing that. I also think Daniels has a few advantages. First he is Kelly’s choice since he recruited him. Second, he plays a less risky game, and I think Kelly prefers that. Third, Daniels has a lot of experience, which also makes him safer.

I frequently hear the argument that Daniels was a huge percentage of our offense, but if he had thrown the ball more, he would’ve been a far smaller percentage. Naturally a QB like Nuss will be a smaller percentage of the offense. Nuss plays the style that uses our multiple weapons. Daniels needs to play more like Nuss and Nuss could help himself by playing more like Daniels, by which I mean more conservatively.

The big question is which would make LSU more successful given where they are in their development today. There is a fair argument that Daniels’ mobility may have been more important earlier in the season when the offensive line was very immature and we had no established running back. The answer next season may be a lot different, because we should have good protection, we have returning RBs, and even better receiving weapons. Will that change anything? I doubt it. I think Nuss isn’t Kelly’s recruit, and I don’t think he’s going to surpass Daniels in Kelly’s mind. Plus Kelly may want to reward Daniels for returning. It’s a steeper uphill battle for Nuss than it is for Daniels, and I think Nuss will have great success somewhere else, as long as they have good receiving weapons. At least Howard can wait out Daniels, but watch out for Collins, since he’s Kelly’s recruit. We’ll see in 2024 how much of a factor that really is.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
46087 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:11 pm to
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should be banned for spreading misinformation about players.

c'mon man - he SAID it wast 'strongly' rumored.

what else do you want>??? we have impeached presidents for much less than that - TWICE.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3785 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:23 pm to
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A coach might if he looked at Joe Burrow, and didn't realize how good he could be. Urban Meyer obviously did, right? And Urban knows a lot about QB's, right?


It took Burrow a year of learning to get to where he was in 2019. Ohio St was ready to compete for an NC in 2018. They didn’t have a year to give to Burrow to get up to speed. They were still a playoff team in 2019 (and again in 2020) without Burrow. It’s hard to say that Urban Meyer made the wrong call given their circumstances.
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
1558 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:23 pm to
Isn't Howard Kelly's recruit, too?
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
14326 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:30 pm to
JD haters need to prepare their feelings for next season becuz unless something drastic happens to JD he’s Kelly’s starter without a doubt..Nuss is going to jump ship after the spring but Howard will remain becuz he followed Kelly from Notre Dame to LSU when Kelly jumped shipped.. but the Rant JD haters keep bitching here becuz Kelly might read the Rant and he might feel threatened and change his mind by 2023 season.. Happy fricking New Year..
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:29 pm to
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Howard will remain becuz he followed Kelly from Notre Dame to LSU when Kelly jumped shipped..
When was Howard at Notre Dame?
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
710 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:40 pm to
Howard committed before LSU hired Kelly. He committed on 12 June 2020.
LINK /

LSU hired Kelly on NOV 2021.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9266 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:26 pm to
He had multiple bad games, not bad but games that he could have done a much better job, had he thrown the ball to the open WRs.

The Florida State game, the Tennessee game, the Auburn game, the Arkansas game, and the A&M game. I don’t care about stats, I saw these games with my own eyes and JD could have torched that Tennessee defense, the Florida State defense and others but especially these two. He had three good games or half’s I should say, against Ole Miss, Alabama and Florida. If he played like that against Florida State and Tennessee LSU could have been 11-1 this year. I’ll give him a pass for the A&M game because our coaches were just out coaches in that game. A&M controlled the entire game. That was not the case for the other two games. I won’t even count the Georgia game because the team was just completely worn down by this game. But in the two games I mentioned above, I saw multiple WRs wide arse open on almost every snap and JD would not throw that ball to them.

Now this could be because he needs more practice time with these WRs and the offense as a whole but why play like a heisman candidate one week then play like an average QB the next? I also never saw him on the sidelines hyping his teammates up like Burrow would. JD needs to be a better leader for this team if he wants to be the starter next year.

For all you idiots who keep saying Nuss would throw 20 INTs, you don’t have a clue. This game is about consistency and Nuss had zero practice time with this offense before performing great against the best defense in the country this year. Give him time to practice and work with the offense and I’d bet the house that he would improve by leaps. I have never been a Nuss or JD backer. I’m for the QB who gives LSU the best chance to win a championship and as of right now, that’s Nuss period.

JD can absolutely change that opinion if he progresses but what scares me is I saw progression one week then regression the next. Same plays, same players, same wide open WRs and no throw. JD would have gotten eaten by that Georgia defense in the second half! He would never have throw the ball because the WRs were covered. Nuss would still throw the ball to a spot that gave his WRs the best chance to catch it. That’s how you are supposed to play the game. You throw the ball to spots, not the player. Give Nuss some time and I think he’d be spreading the ball around and throwing darts all over the field. There is nothing more demoralizing then a QB who can throw the ball inches out of your reach and into the WRs hands when you did everything right. Add a running game element with a QB like this and you have the 2019 offense once again.

I don’t care who starts next year but whoever it is and will likely be JD, I hope CBK and this OC demands to see progression and him throwing the football quickly to spots on the field and not just to players who have no one within 3 yards of them. We will have to throw the back shoulder passes, over the top passes without breaking stride and pass the ball even when you see the WR seems to be covered. Our WRs are good enough to win those matches 9/10 times. I hope they give all these QBs enough time for all the players to gain the confidence needed to be a dominant offense.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285043 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:29 pm to
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Howard committed before LSU hired Kelly. He committed on 12 June 2020.


Kelly was recruiting Howard to notre dame. In fact I think it was one of his few official visits
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
710 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:30 pm to
I didn’t know that, so that certainly puts him in a different category than Nuss.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15573 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:39 pm to
It’s just unreal that we’re stuck with an albatross that the new coach went out of his way to put around the team’s neck

Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9266 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:52 pm to
Geez dude, you definitely have no clue. Almost everything you said is completely wrong and made up in your fantasy head.

First of all Howard didn’t follow Brian Kelly to LSU. If anything Kelly followed Howard to LSU. It was just a coincidence that Kelly liked Howard and ended up at the same school Howard committed to. Walker was coming to LSU anyway. Also just because people want to see what Nuss would do with a week of preparation or off-season of preparation with this offense before he performed doesn’t mean we hate JD. I saw a full year of what JD can do and would like to see what Nuss could do with the same opportunity. Why wouldn’t anyone want to see that after he started a come back against the best defense in the country?

He deserves a shot imo. Let him practice and play a half against Purdue, why not? This bowl game could be used to see what both can do with equal opportunities. Imo it would be a mistake for LSU not to use this bowl game to project its future. If JD out performs Nuss then he’s the incumbent starter in 2023 and Nuss can’t say he wasn’t given an opportunity. This isn’t about hating anyone. Idk why you idiots keep saying this crap? Did JD perform that good where it’s set in stone? I don’t think he did and I think Nuss performed well enough against GA to say hey, I deserve a shot here.

That’s all it is. It sounds like some of y’all are scared that Nuss will outperform JD to me. It sounds more like y’all are the Nuss haters. Give the young man a chance to prove himself. This just might help JD to work harder on the things he lacks or has lacked this season. It just might make both QBs work harder on their own game. I see nothing wrong with that. Let’s see who get the most out of this elite group of WRs we have. I didn’t see any game where JD made these WRs look like the elite group they are. It took one half for Nuss to make our WRs look Elite, as they are. The WRs responded to him trusting them to make the plays. I want to see whoever the starter is, going up and down the sidelines talking and hyping up his OL, WRs, TEs and RBs when they come off the field. Not just after a score but I’m between the game while on the sideline waiting to get back on the field. Instilling confidence in them no matter the opponent, the score or the time of the game. Be a damn leader and lead. Build them up not just yourself. That’s what I want to see and I hope the staff wants the same.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31564 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 10:55 pm to
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It’s just unreal



What's unreal is how you constantly crap on that kid. That's what's unreal. You never give him credit for anything. Even when the freaking team (that includes his backup QB in case you weren't aware) votes him the season MVP.


Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15573 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:00 pm to
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votes him the season MVP.


I have no idea how that voting works, how seriously they take it etc.

But there were 3 players so valuable that when out their respective sides of the ball were downright dysfunctional: Campbell, Jones, and Bernard-Converse.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31564 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:01 pm to
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I have no idea how that voting works, how seriously they take it etc.




Yeah, I'm sure it's something they don't take seriously. Like they all just said, "hey let's vote for the same guy just because...."


Thanks for proving my point. Instead of giving him a tiny bit of credit, you call him "an albatross around our neck."
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 11:37 pm
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
15573 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:07 pm to
My point is I don’t think they went back and noted the impact of certain players’ absences on a game by game basis.

Which is fine; that’s not their job. But from an outside view it was clear we didn’t have quality replacements for those 3 guys like we did at QB.

It’s all in how you want to define “valuable”. Looking at it from a “wins above replacement” perspective QB was pretty far down the list.
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