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How'd Dennis Shaver last so long here or the admin really just didn't care?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:08 pm
How'd Dennis Shaver last so long here or the admin really just didn't care?
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:35 pm to The Egg
He is such a good grounds trash pick et, gotta keep the grounds free of trash
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:37 pm to The Egg
LSU track and field created its own standard of success long before Dennis Shaver arrived. Pat Henry won 27 NCAA team titles between 1988 and 2004, turning national championships into baseline expectations. Shaver took over a program with 30 official NCAA team titles. He inherited an established dynasty.
In nearly two decades under Shaver, LSU has won exactly two official NCAA team championships. Two championships would secure a coach's legacy at almost any other SEC school. At LSU, the number represents a steep drop in overall production. Shaver consistently produces Olympians and individual stars who place high in the national standings. Individual greatness remains. Team dominance has faded.
The women's results show this shift clearly. LSU women once controlled the sport year after year. Under Shaver, the women won a single official NCAA outdoor team title in 2008. The team finished first in 2012, but the NCAA later vacated that championship due to a doping controversy.
The men’s team provides a similar record. They won the 2021 outdoor title with an exceptional squad. Yet a single men's title over twenty years is an outlier for a program with top-tier recruiting and facilities.
The university finances LSU Track and Field to win national championships. The athletic budget matches those high expectations. Shaver keeps the team competitive and develops professionals, but LSU expects team trophies. Following a legend is difficult. However, the current return on investment falls short of the university's historical standard. I don't get all the praise around Shaver - if you ask me, it's time for him to go. His current contract is insane he will make 585k this year with his bonuses included. For a guy who produced two teams outdoors that went 4th and 10th. I think it's time for new blood.
In nearly two decades under Shaver, LSU has won exactly two official NCAA team championships. Two championships would secure a coach's legacy at almost any other SEC school. At LSU, the number represents a steep drop in overall production. Shaver consistently produces Olympians and individual stars who place high in the national standings. Individual greatness remains. Team dominance has faded.
The women's results show this shift clearly. LSU women once controlled the sport year after year. Under Shaver, the women won a single official NCAA outdoor team title in 2008. The team finished first in 2012, but the NCAA later vacated that championship due to a doping controversy.
The men’s team provides a similar record. They won the 2021 outdoor title with an exceptional squad. Yet a single men's title over twenty years is an outlier for a program with top-tier recruiting and facilities.
The university finances LSU Track and Field to win national championships. The athletic budget matches those high expectations. Shaver keeps the team competitive and develops professionals, but LSU expects team trophies. Following a legend is difficult. However, the current return on investment falls short of the university's historical standard. I don't get all the praise around Shaver - if you ask me, it's time for him to go. His current contract is insane he will make 585k this year with his bonuses included. For a guy who produced two teams outdoors that went 4th and 10th. I think it's time for new blood.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:10 pm to MC5601
Skip lost Nick and Pat within a 12 month stretch.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:10 pm to The Egg
They don’t care. Have it on good authority admin wouldn’t even congratulate him after winning national championships.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:13 pm to The Egg
The men finished top 4 at indoors for like 15 straight years under shaver. He’s won multiple SEC titles and a few national titles. It’s not very difficult to understand the administration that let Pat Henry walk is fine with Shaver’s results.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:16 pm to MC5601
LSU’s facilities suck and has never received much support from the university.
There is a lot more parity in college track than the past too. Arkansas men just won their first outdoor title since 2003 and have had some loaded squads.
The program would be rolling if Boo Schexnyder stayed as strength coach but he eventually left LSU (again) after the program had a historic run.
There is a lot more parity in college track than the past too. Arkansas men just won their first outdoor title since 2003 and have had some loaded squads.
The program would be rolling if Boo Schexnyder stayed as strength coach but he eventually left LSU (again) after the program had a historic run.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:36 pm to michael corleone
Skip was a shitty AD. There is no way to sugarcoat this.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:41 pm to The Egg
Track makes no money and gets about 45 seconds of press when you win a national title.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:51 pm to The Egg
if they cared about Track and Field we would have let the multi championship winning coach go.
you think they’re firing another multi championship winning coach?
you think they’re firing another multi championship winning coach?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:51 pm to saintsfan22
Track is a program that can win multitudes of titles with more vision
Posted on 6/18/26 at 4:54 pm to PSS101
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Track is a program that can win multitudes of titles with more vision
Yes but if they win one every 5 years nobody will really bat an eye.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:00 pm to saintsfan22
If Pat Henry stayed at LSU, they would have 50 titles. Bob Broadhead hired him and had the vision. Bob Broadhead also hired Skip, the father of LSU baseball. That is what I’m talking about vision. Good ADs see greatness
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:28 pm to tigerbait2010
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LSU’s facilities suck and has never received much support from the university.
This. This could’ve been an easy fix 25 years ago, but Skip was a cheap arse. This should’ve been built on site of golf course long ago. Pat Henry would’ve stayed and you could’ve hosted a lot more events, esp indoor.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:09 pm to The Egg
LSU away from what got them all this Natties under Henry, LSU is geared toward short fast races/relay teams/shorter distances, other programs like Ark win natties by maximizing entrance in mostly longer distances races to pile up points, LSU had 11Men and 11Women in National Championships and if all would score 10-5 pts in placement they could win but if u don’t get at least 5 pts from all 11 qualifier u have no chance when other team qualify 5 in just longer distance finals, it’s a strategy change that needed
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:21 pm to grich31
LSU has literally always been a sprints, hurdles, and jumps program. Historically we’ve been arse at everything past the 800m.
The program fell off because we don’t score points in jumps anymore, which is what boo schexnyder was such a game changer for us when he was here. We also score a lot less in hurdles the past few years though we still have qualifiers.
ETA: I don’t disagree that I wish LSU’s teams were constructed differently. I like what Georgia did under Petros and had 5-7 athletes that could score in multiple field events.
The program fell off because we don’t score points in jumps anymore, which is what boo schexnyder was such a game changer for us when he was here. We also score a lot less in hurdles the past few years though we still have qualifiers.
ETA: I don’t disagree that I wish LSU’s teams were constructed differently. I like what Georgia did under Petros and had 5-7 athletes that could score in multiple field events.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:56 pm to tigerbait2010
Seemed like their were more distance runners for points under Henry but maybe just more sprints/relays and filed event scorer back then but u can’t argue with what other programs have done in building teams, Now Ark is standard with UGA\Tenn/TX/FL in their sites, LSU is running 5/6 now
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:50 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:Cheaped out on Saban.
Skip was a shitty AD. There is no way to sugarcoat this.
Cheaped out on Henry.
Cheaped out supremely on the new Alex Box.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 5:19 am to semjase
Blame the Board. Emmert had a good one picked but Cusimano wrecked it all. Skip was the compromise pick.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:16 am to PSS101
Joe Dean hired Pat Henry
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