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Tigerstark
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How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
But no other coaches game with him? Is it possible Busch, Raymond or others just aren’t good at teaching his scheme? Or maybe they don’t have a full grasp of it either?

I’ve never really been a fan of a coordinator who comes without any other staff.


BlackAngus
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
Who knows? All we can judge is what's seen on the field, which has been complete dookie


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JKChesterton
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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But no other coaches game with him? Is it possible Busch, Raymond or others just aren’t good at teaching his scheme? Or maybe they don’t have a full grasp of it either?

I’ve never really been a fan of a coordinator who comes without any other staff.



Personally I don't think all these guys forgot how to coach, fundamentals. I think the press man which is what LSU has always been is not right now the way to go, so hopefully we go more 7 and 8 man coverages.

The other issue is 1) Opt outs by Chase, Shevlin and Vincent carried over to the team. Those 3 guys probably felt you know what I won an SEC and NC and now just want to focus on the NFL, that mindset might have trickled down and 2) The other issue is maybe some of the personnel is not as good as their recruiting rankings, particularly the DB's, which is why trying to play press man might not work at all this year.

I am not one to say Raymond, Busch forgot how to coach nor Pelini forgot how to coach. However, not being a DC in a long time maybe needed to realize maybe I can't do what I want to do so find out what the players can do best and go with that. Hopefully these 2 weeks gave them a chance to spend a week on installing some new coverages before working on SCAR,


tigerfan88
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
I mean Raymond has been here since 2012. And he was never a problem under Chavis, Steele, or Aranda. So draw your own inferences.


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
We took a lazy approach to preparation. That lazy approach shows up in players effort too.


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JKChesterton
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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I mean Raymond has been here since 2012. And he was never a problem under Chavis, Steele, or Aranda. So draw your own inferences.




Well then it is on Coach O has HC for wanting to keep playing a 4 man front press man defense. He is the HC and 2 Pelini as DC to adapt and play more odd 3 man fronts, move Jacoby near the LOS as the 4th rusher every now and then and play more zone and keep everything in front of you. Arkansas has executed this to perfection now not only against State but yesterday vs. Kiffin and Ole Miss, they had 6 INTS!

You mean Coach O can let is ego go and get away from "our defense is better now than at any time last season" That quote just doesn't make sense and if Coach O fails to adapt the defense to fit what his team can do, it smacks some of Les stubbornness to run 21/22 personnel and and never run but 2 man pass routes and try to adapt his offense.


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
But no other coaches game with him? Is it possible Busch, Raymond or others just aren’t good at teaching his scheme? Or maybe they don’t have a full grasp of it either?



We gotta let O, Pelini and the coaches hash that out. I'm very, very skeptical if Pelini is the guy to fix it. What I see, to my amateur eye, is not growing pains in a new system, but a bad system none of the players know and one that doesn't put them in position to make plays.

So many receivers for MSU and Mizz were just wide the frick open and our guys looked like they were playing in quicksand.


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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I mean Raymond has been here since 2012.


and he was Pelini's DB coach at Nebraska for a year. and a GA back when Pelini was here the first time.


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Eatem up
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
It is definitely Pelini. The defense has never been this lost. Simply did not have them ready and refused to adjust. Poor preparation in reviewing film of opponents and poor in game management. The fact that his plan was to play man to man the whole game against Miss St is all you need to know. He had the wrong plan in mind.


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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It is definitely Pelini. The defense has never been this lost. Simply did not have them ready and refused to adjust. Poor preparation in reviewing film of opponents and poor in game management. The fact that his plan was to play man to man the whole game against Miss St is all you need to know. He had the wrong plan in mind.


Someone finally gets it! Bo puts together a single gameplan and no adjustments needed. Aranda had 5-6 gameplans with several nuances for each one and adjustments. But hey O was still taking shots at Aranda this past Wednesday. If O doesn't want to admit his mistake and refuses to hire a legit DC then he needs to be fired as well. O often interferred with Arandas calling and now he's totally hands off with Bo. There is something else going on, its all about ego here.


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themunch
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
Those egos need to die in a fire.


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
It is going to be hard for some of our fans to admit the problem starts and stops with O

CLM one one NC, went to two,

O has won one NC

Now O shows CLM stubborn traits- lets hope he does not follow the CLM path.

CLM never had a defense this bad

A number coaches could have won the NC with last years talent, JB and Brady


themunch
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
Recent history of coaches brought in and released says the stubborn trait is not there.


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GetmorewithLes
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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A number coaches could have won the NC with last years talent, JB and Brady



This is the most asinine statement that I keep seeing over and over. Yeah, O gets the credit for this debacle but he also brought in all those people who won the NC last year including the players... He gets credit for that too.


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lostinbr
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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Bo puts together a single gameplan and no adjustments needed. Aranda had 5-6 gameplans with several nuances for each one and adjustments.

You think the reason our guys are confused all the time is because the game plan is too simple?

I think a lot of you are going a little overboard with this dumb jock/one trick pony characterization of Pelini. He was an NFL position coach (DBs and LBs) for 8 years before he got his first DC job in CFB. He coached against spread offenses (including Mike Leach’s air raid) in the Big 12, both before and after his first stint with LSU. He coached against spread offenses (Mullen/Urban, Gus Malzahn) in the SEC while he was at LSU. He coached against spread offenses (including Tom Herman at OSU) in the Big 10. When he was head coach at Nebraska, his own team ran a spread system.

I say this not to absolve Pelini of his guilt when it comes to our defensive performance, but to point out to our fan base - spread offenses aren’t exactly a new thing, despite being a recent trend among top-tier SEC teams.

Which brings me back to my original question - do you really think simplicity is our problem? Because Orgeron implied the exact opposite. If our defense is too simple, then we are really fricked considering our guys barely know where to line up. If anything, I suspect the real problem is that Pelini tried to do too much, too soon. With an inexperienced defense that was in their first year of a new system.

It’s still a coaching problem, to be clear, but I don’t know how anyone can really evaluate the scheme at this point.


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LSUStar
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
Did a lot of players report out of shape?


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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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I think the press man which is what LSU has always been is not right now the way to go, so hopefully we go more 7 and 8 man coverages.
LSU has run a lot of zone schemes over the years. Much complaining last year about zone.


LSUStar
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
How poorly has the defense played? It has been historic. Draw your own conclusions.



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ecb
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
Bottom line is Aranda knew what he was doing, bo & o do not


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JKChesterton
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re: How much of the problem is that we brought in pelini
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Did a lot of players report out of shape?


I think that might be part of it as well.


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