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re: How much blame should be placed on the WRs?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:20 am to Coach D
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:20 am to Coach D
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Without reading, I'll continue to state how awful their route running is. Sure, the QB play was horrid but they did nothing to help either QB out before or while the ball was in the air. Most of it comes from inexperience (both positions) and that's fine but you've got to place blame in both directions.
I agree with this one. We were just so young in the passing game, mistakes are bound to happen on both ends.
I think it was pretty obvious Diarse lost some playing time in the middle of the season for route running issues.
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:21 am to OceanMan
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Is it a defense for our QBs they only throw the ball 20% of the time so its hard to stay focused?
Actually, yes. Just like a shooter in basketball. If he only takes 5 shots a game it is hard to get in a rhythm. Give Fournette the rock 20 times a game and he is much better than 5 times a game. It's called reps for a reason. Anytime you do more of something you will eventually get better at doing it.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:32 am to OceanMan
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Didn't realize timing routes were unilateral and strictly on the QB to get it to the right place.
They're not.
But they are 50/50 on responsibility and judging by his others throws, I think its safe to assume AJ isn't nailing the timing. Way to ignore the other things I mentioned. Obviously I meant he is bad at his part of the equation.
He doesn't have a good arm nor good vision. He is a great kid, a good leader, and a good athlete, but he is just not a very good quarterback.
ETA:
If you haven't noticed how bad he misses on timing routes to the sideline, you haven't watched a single game this year. There is one common thread in those plays to different WRs, and its the quarterback.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:46 am to TheCaterpillar
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Way to ignore the other things I mentioned. Obviously I meant he is bad at his part of the equation.
I didn't ignore it. The question was how much are the receivers to blame, and you went straight to dissing the QB for being poor on timing routes, indicating it wasnt on the receivers at all.
Looks like you ignored the question for an opportunity to discuss the QBs.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:46 am to Mie2cents
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Actually, yes. Just like a shooter in basketball. If he only takes 5 shots a game it is hard to get in a rhythm. Give Fournette the rock 20 times a game and he is much better than 5 times a game. It's called reps for a reason. Anytime you do more of something you will eventually get better at doing it.
That's fair enough, if you hold everyone to the same standard.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:47 am to Coach D
We have 2 Sr TE's (Stokes, Dickson), 1 Jr TE (Gordon), and 1 So (Smith) who've been in the program. If inexperience was such a concern at WR why not use the experience at TE?
The non-use of our TE's in the passing game is mind-boggling. It borders on OC incompetence. No nice way to say it.
The non-use of our TE's in the passing game is mind-boggling. It borders on OC incompetence. No nice way to say it.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 9:52 am to AlwysATgr
Smith can't catch and none of the other TEs can run.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:21 am to Jesterea
20%
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:27 am to Jesterea
honestly, Trey Quinn could have prevented the loss to Alabama
overall though, not much
overall though, not much
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:45 am to cajunjj
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Quinn has short arms every time he goes across the middle! I agree with the last post!
The IQ of some folks on this board, hmmm.
He seemed to do just fine going over the middle and making a catch inside a congested red zone against TAMU.
As for previous comments, HE will be the first to tell you that if he touches the ball he expects himself to catch it. He had some plays that he did not make this year that he has made his entire life and should have made.
What seems to be forgotten is how often he ran around the field wide open this year, how HE does not seem to have trouble getting off the LOS, beating jams, getting open, etc. Instead, in the true spirit of this particular board, some want to dwell on the negative, focus on one game, and throw a guy under the bus who committed to us BEFORE OBJ and Landry had the year they had, stuck to his committment, took ONE official visit to LSU, did not play the recruiting games that these teenagers play, quietly goes about tryinig to represent his state and university with class, hmmm. Says alot about the issues people have who post on here. Before I would question an 18 year old college football player I would question why some of you feel the need to come on here and constantly put others down to make yourselves feel better about your own life.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:50 am to TigerAlum93
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Before I would question an 18 year old college football player I would question why some of you feel the need to come on here and constantly put others down to make yourselves feel better about your own life.
Relax Francis. This is an LSU message board. You're going to get opinions here. Passions run high with LSU football, and that's a great thing. Some posters are rational, some are nuts.
When a player voluntarily decides to play football for LSU, they know there will be high expectations and high pressure. They have to accept legitimate criticism from fans when they don't perform up to expectations. That's just the nature of elite college football.
That being said, I love Quinn and would like to see him get more targets. He did have some big drops against Bama that hurt us - you just have to acknowledge that. But I really like the guy.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:52 am to OceanMan
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The question was how much are the receivers to blame, and you went straight to dissing the QB for being poor on timing routes, indicating it wasnt on the receivers at all.
I am defending the WRs because he asked if we should blame the WRs.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:56 am to Jesterea
The QB's job is to get the ball to the receiver to make a play. To many times the recievers had no chance. Yes, they did drop some passes. I would say 90% the QB's fault. Just look at how many plays Dupree made. The QB gave him a shot, and he came through, a lot.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 10:57 am to Jesterea
It varied from game-to-game. There were clearly occasions when LSU receivers dropped very catchable passes. But they were relatively few compared to the number of uncatchable passes.
Even more troubling than the uncatchable passes were occasions in which LSU QBs did not spot wide open receivers and forced throws to covered receivers or simply took a sack. Throwing the ball away if all receivers are covered is a better outcome than a forced throw or sack.
Even more troubling than the uncatchable passes were occasions in which LSU QBs did not spot wide open receivers and forced throws to covered receivers or simply took a sack. Throwing the ball away if all receivers are covered is a better outcome than a forced throw or sack.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:16 am to TheCaterpillar
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I am defending the WRs because he asked if we should blame the WRs.
I am quite aware of that. If you can't tell that the WRs were at times not in the right spots on timing routes, then there is no need to argue with you.
QB play was shitty, but that doesn't excuse WR play being shitty too.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:25 am to Jesterea
Some of the blame? Yes. But what the WRs went through is typical of a young group with all new starters. Dropped passes, wrong routes, struggle with press coverage. That is normal shite a young WR has to learn to overcome.
What isn't normal is a QB that is incapable of completing 50% of his passes. Or a coaching staff that runs mostly goal line offense with 1 WR on a pass play.
The WRs do deserve a little blame for the overall lack of passing game, but terrible QB play and a very predictable, overly simplistic scheme are far bigger culprits.
What isn't normal is a QB that is incapable of completing 50% of his passes. Or a coaching staff that runs mostly goal line offense with 1 WR on a pass play.
The WRs do deserve a little blame for the overall lack of passing game, but terrible QB play and a very predictable, overly simplistic scheme are far bigger culprits.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:29 am to Jesterea
Quinn had a terrible game against Alabama
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:35 am to TxTiger82
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Smith can't catch and none of the other TEs can run.
He dropped a pass.
Dickson caught lke 5 passes as a Fr vs OM. Gordon looked good running with the ball vs A&M in '13.
BTW, Eddie Fuller dropped a TD pass like two plays before the earthquake catch. Competitors love an opportunity to redeem themselves.
Smith can catch just fine.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:35 am to Jesterea
Finally someone gets it. Our receivers can't get off the line of scrimmage when defenses are playing press coverage. It screws up the timing of the routes. It also doesn't help that our QB is not very good. A combination of both makes for a terrible passing game.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:40 am to jorconalx
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Finally someone gets it. Our receivers can't get off the line of scrimmage when defenses are playing press coverage. It screws up the timing of the routes. It also doesn't help that our QB is not very good. A combination of both makes for a terrible passing game.
THROW the ball to the TE! Problem solved.
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