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re: How many of you were won over by O yesterday?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Les could recruit them, but he couldn't develop them
yet with much lower ranked classes than Saban he still managed to put more into the NFL. The problems with Miles didn't have anything to do with player development. It had everything to do with running an antiquated backwards arse offense with an equally outdated offense philosophy based on imposing ones will on the defense. To Miles, every game is going to be a slober knocker and we are going to out tough them whether they put eight men in the box or not, we are going to run on them and knock their dicks in the dirt. Doesn't matter if they know what play we are going to run or not, because we are tougher.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:38 pm to Dstllsu
You're such a pussy. So I can't be excited about the win without "lowering the bar?" Lol gtfo here with that stupid shite.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:38 pm to boxcar willie
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stop being negative bitches
New to the board? Bitching has been going on for years. Stop acting like you were never one yourself.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no signed LOI, no real commmitment
You used the word committed. I'm not responsible for your personal definition.
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the shift in expectations is amazing to watch unfold. we hired O to be better than Miles. he's been worse, so far. go back to teh OP: i won't be "won over" until he surpasses Miles. if I though Miles was an overpaid mess for years, why would the same/lesser results by his replacement win me over?
The expectations haven't changed for me, which are to compete for SEC and national titles. I will be the first to call for O to be fired if he doesn't show a positive trajectory, but that's what this discussion is about. In my opinion the changes he's making in roster management are addressing deficiencies that had crept into the program. I'm not crowning him an elite coach, but plenty here (you're likely one given your sig and avi) deemed him completely unfit while refusing to acknowledge positive steps. All we have right now are a few results and some decisions. So far those results and decisions, while not absolutely positive, have shown a positive trajectory for those who look at them in an unbiased light.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:48 pm to boxcar willie
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yet with much lower ranked classes than Saban he still managed to put more into the NFL.
You are extremely confused. This is the problem of mixing macro and micro issues
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:50 pm to Goldrush25
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Ya'll said before the season even started that he was a terrible awful coach. That we couldn't have hired a worse coach. Now you want to have an open mind about him and wait and see?
I guess just any random coach we would have hired could have taken this team into Auburn and beat them on their home field. Right? or will ya'll admit that that was something?
But it is good to see you have a open mind about Orgeron NOW, if that is what you are saying. Should have an open mind and given him a chance from the start though. But don't get down on your self, it may still go ya'lls way. No one knows. That's the thing.
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I stick to my opinions unless and until the evidence dictates that I should change that opinion. I make my judgements based on the season, not game by game. I don't know why this is some controversial stance. Rational people judge a large body of evidence, not individual pieces that confirm whatever biases they want to reinforce.
Ya'll said before the season even started that he was a terrible awful coach. That we couldn't have hired a worse coach. Now you want to have an open mind about him and wait and see?
I guess just any random coach we would have hired could have taken this team into Auburn and beat them on their home field. Right? or will ya'll admit that that was something?
But it is good to see you have a open mind about Orgeron NOW, if that is what you are saying. Should have an open mind and given him a chance from the start though. But don't get down on your self, it may still go ya'lls way. No one knows. That's the thing.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:58 pm to Laman1978
Good start to the season. I have my doubts that he can sustain a high level long term but I am enjoying this season.
Maybe it is the O PR machine but I have never seen a team that has such a large percentage of its fans who seem to be more attached to the coach than the team. I will always pull for LSU, no matter who coaches. Some here it seems would jump ship if O was not the coach.
Maybe it is the O PR machine but I have never seen a team that has such a large percentage of its fans who seem to be more attached to the coach than the team. I will always pull for LSU, no matter who coaches. Some here it seems would jump ship if O was not the coach.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:58 pm to boxcar willie
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Ya'll said before the season even started that he was a terrible awful coach. That we couldn't have hired a worse coach
I don't know about all of that but we absolutely could've hired a better coach. I would think we're all in agreement on that.
My opinions on him as a coach have not changed, and as I've said numerous times now, I'll judge him on the body of work that is the season. The bar for Orgeron has always been set by his ability to take this team and improve upon the previous season.
Those that thought Orgeron was a bad coach before Auburn and now think he's a great coach after Auburn are easily impressed.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
For those that don’t see the difference between positive and propaganda in Ree’s posts. His post today is touting Coach O’s record against ranked teams on the road, which is positive, especially this year/week. He says it’s 5-2, which is true, when you use ranking at the time of the game but not true if you use the final ranking. That means Florida, who was #21 at the time we played but finished 4-8, unranked and fired their coach counts as a ranked win but Miss St who finished #19 at 9-4 (amazingly 1 spot behind a 9-4 team they beat by 30 ) doesn’t count as a ranked loss.
Of course this isn’t that big deal but it is at best disingenuous to count 17!Florida was a good win because they were ranked when we played. They were bad and pointing that out doesn’t take away from the win this week and this year. stuff like that unnecessary and will only attract the “negative” posters so many claim they to avoid.
) doesn’t count as a ranked loss. Of course this isn’t that big deal but it is at best disingenuous to count 17!Florida was a good win because they were ranked when we played. They were bad and pointing that out doesn’t take away from the win this week and this year. stuff like that unnecessary and will only attract the “negative” posters so many claim they to avoid.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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his is the problem of mixing macro and micro issues
how so? He started with higher ranked classes year in year out across the board, not even close. Yet Miles managed to put more and have more player success in the NFL than he did. That is not mixing micro and macro issues as relates to player development. How else would you measure player development? If you go by the success they had in college, they were expected to have more success based on their class rankings. Plus Miles managed to sabatoge his own teams with a very bad offense philosophy that generally only has a chance to work is when you have better players and more depth than your opponent and can over power them in the trenches.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:04 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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number of players moving around nearly double from 117 total in 2016 to 211 the following season
That number is small to begin with, but when you dwindle it down to LSU's caliber of player, it becomes minuscule.
Most transfers are transferring because they are not getting playing time at current school because they are not good enough.
Burrow situations dont grow on trees
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:05 pm to Laman1978
He has been losing me based on how inept the offense has looked
I was nearly apoplectic after the fake punt. It wasn’t the decision to attempt it but the poor design of the call.
I’m still not convinced of the decision to hire Ensminger.
He is doing some good things. They kids play hard for him.
We’ll see. Things look to be on the upswing. I’d love to some sharp execution by the offense this week.
I was nearly apoplectic after the fake punt. It wasn’t the decision to attempt it but the poor design of the call.
I’m still not convinced of the decision to hire Ensminger.
He is doing some good things. They kids play hard for him.
We’ll see. Things look to be on the upswing. I’d love to some sharp execution by the offense this week.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:07 pm to Goldrush25
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I don't know about all of that but we absolutely could've hired a better coach. I would think we're all in agreement on that.
I see this trotted out occasionally as fact, but honest question, who after Herman and Jimbo would you have hired? I'm genuinely curious for a name that you can confidently say would have LSU in a better position than Orgeron right now. Fedora? Fleck?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:08 pm to Laman1978
58 down votes I guess they had to come out and get their bottle refilled ………………...
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Of course this isn’t that big deal but it is at best disingenuous to count 17!Florida was a good win because they were ranked when we played. They were bad and pointing that out doesn’t take away from the win this week and this year. stuff like that unnecessary and will only attract the “negative” posters so many claim they to avoid.
He's obviously the team caterer or some shite and is the definition of a fanatic. I don't understand why anyone lets him get under their skin.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:11 pm to boxcar willie
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how so? He started with higher ranked classes year in year out across the board, not even close. Yet Miles managed to put more and have more player success in the NFL than he did. That is not mixing micro and macro issues as relates to player development.
You are counting the total number of players in the NFL, not looking at each class. That’s mixing micro (class ranking) and macro (total players in the NFL).
Next Not every player in the NFL from LSU was developed by Miles, Todd McClure retired in 2013, he didn’t even play for Saban but counted as an LSU player in the NFL in 2012, well into Miles tenure. Now of course the last year or 2 almost all were “Miles”but even last year Donnie Jones (100% Saban) and Whitworth (signed by Saban played for both) counted.
Last if you count from the 2010 draft (which is the first year players signed by Saban at Alabama were draft eligible). Alabama has more guys total drafted by a decent amount (8-10 iirc) and way more first rounders.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:18 pm to boxcar willie
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Ya'll said before the season even started that he was a terrible awful coach. That we couldn't have hired a worse coach.
The first part could still be true, there's a whole season left.
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Now you want to have an open mind about him and wait and see?
This Auburn game is the first real evidence that O has done something positive with the team. There were still issues, and there are still programmatic concerns for sure, therefore no one should be "sold," on O. But this is shaping up to be a good season.
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I guess just any random coach we would have hired could have taken this team into Auburn and beat them on their home field. Right? or will ya'll admit that that was something?
It's a good win that plenty of coaches could have gotten. To immediately put O with the best of the best with his first super solid win is extremely dangerous.
What if Auburn finishes 7-5 at the end of the year?
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Should have an open mind and given him a chance from the start though.
Why? There was literally no reason to. And there still is only this win to hang the "successful" hat on now.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:21 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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He's obviously the team caterer or some shite and is the definition of a fanatic. I don't understand why anyone lets him get under their skin.
He’s an O fanatic more than an LSU fanatic. When people tried to engage in debate, particularly during the search/hire he would resort to cherry picked facts and disingenuous arguments. He will also blame everything on anyone but O.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
Y’all must be referencing tiger wee wee. Lol
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:23 pm to boxcar willie
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he was a terrible awful coach.
He was a terrible coach to bring in to fix a problem with the offense that many on here, probably including you, have bitched and bitched about.
Two years later, our offense is worse than the one we had before.
It's funny how some have chosen to over look that rather important fact.
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