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re: How many of you were won over by O yesterday?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is not a good strategy b/c it entirely relies on luck. your comment focuses on acquisition but that's secondary to availability. availability of good players (Especially at positions of need) is purely luck
This is what you're missing. It isn't. From the NCAA:
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The number of grad transfers is five times bigger in 2017 than it was in 2011 for men’s sports alone and football in particular saw the number of players moving around nearly double from 117 total in 2016 to 211 the following season
LINK
That doesn't even include regular transfers. The pool of talent is growing year over year, and it's not unreasonable or "lucky" to expect to fill a few needs there. Will every guy be elite? No, but most will be serviceable and experienced and at least provide depth.
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what? that's not true. Miles's staff got early commits from QBs. the problem was keeping certain guys (like Franks)
and evals (like Rettig)
Franks was both a bad eval AND a eggs all in one basket guy, forcing them to fall back on Scott. They took a warm body in McMillan the class before after whiffing on everyone else. You can't with a straight face say Miles and Co managed Qb recruiting well. In fact it could be argued it was the downfall of the staff.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
I mean dude, I get it, ensminger wasn’t as sexy of a hire like chip kelly, or Gilbert, or Kiffin (if that’s your thing) would have been, but holy shite.. give the dude a shot before you just write him off. We’ve got a lot of stuff to build on right now
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You prefer that type of flimsy support?
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Absolutely. It's the nature of the game. Is it your opinion that you have to make a decision and stick to it regardless of outcome?
But I just told you as soon as we lose a game a lot of those that you believe think like you, will no longer think like you. And you know I'm telling the truth.
I stick to my opinions unless and until the evidence dictates that I should change that opinion. I make my judgements based on the season, not game by game.
I don't know why this is some controversial stance. Rational people judge a large body of evidence, not individual pieces that confirm whatever biases they want to reinforce.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:10 pm to Mr. Hangover
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I mean dude, I get it, ensminger wasn’t as sexy of a hire like chip kelly, or Gilbert, or Kiffin
did we hire him after 2016?
i repeat
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had one major decision to make (OC after 2016)
is the guy we hired after 2016 still our OC? did he leave or did we fire him?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:10 pm to semjase
Shrimp AND Chicken? Hmmmm. Its either seafood or chicken...right?
Geaux Tigers!
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:10 pm to Goldrush25
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But I just told you as soon as we lose a game those that you believe think like you, will no longer think like you.
Don't you think there are a lot of "depends" associated with that? Like who and how? maybe people form opinions on what they see and not what they just want to believe?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:11 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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No one is throwing in the towel on highschool prospects, but if it makes the team better I expect the coaches to be open to transfers. They were and it was 100% the right call.
it's kind of weird that people would be arguing that that is a negative. It really just shows how these people are trying way to hard talk negative shite.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oops, missed that one.
So Canada didn’t work out. So what? We cut bait and went in a new direction..
What’s your solution to the problem? How would you handle it?
So Canada didn’t work out. So what? We cut bait and went in a new direction..
What’s your solution to the problem? How would you handle it?
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:12 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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You can't with a straight face say Miles and Co managed Qb recruiting well
oh no. but they didn't wait to get QB commits
Miles, however, had a better track record than O (which is nothing at this point b/c he hasn't even been able to get a QB committed, unless you want to count getting brennan/LN to re-commit)
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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still pissed off because they didn't get their guy.
Oh, for fricks sake.
No one is pissed over not getting their favorite. Many are concerned LSU hired a DL coach to fix an offensive problem that still isn't fixed two fricking years later.
3-0 and number six is great, but the offense is worse today than it was in 2015.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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b/c he hasn't even been able to get a QB committed, unless you want to count getting brennan/LN to re-commit
huh?
Parrish and Finley are committed for 19' and 20' respectively. If you mean signed, then I guess that holds a little water, but just points back to Burrow, who I would trade for any HS QB we had a shot at last class.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Aranda had the opportunity to leave in the offseason, he elected to stay.
Aranda has a strong interest (financial and career) in the success of LSU.
By making him the highest paid assistant in the country. Aranda could have gone from job to job slowly increasing his pay. We basically said "Stay with us until you want to be a head coach." He won't be a coordinator long term, plus his sights are on NFL Coordinator positions anyway. I think we have a higher chance of losing him in this postseason than we did in the last one honestly.
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Aranda would not stay if he had the same level of faith as those who are so negative about Orgeron.
I disagree with the kind of raise he got. If he took a 10% increase, sure? But he got like a 40% raise.
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I trust Arandas knowledge of the happenings inside of LSU football far more than I trust a bunch of random fans who are still pissed off because they didn't get their guy.
People aren't pissed because they "didn't get their guy." O, until Auburn, had shown very little change or improvement. Now there is some to go off of, but he still has big holes, has made lots of mistakes, and is in general, just not a good coach. It takes consistent winning to prove that. Not one game.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Don't you think there are a lot of "depends" associated with that? Like who and how? maybe people form opinions on what they see and not what they just want to believe?
Of course there are some "depends." But you also know that it doesn't matter for some. If we lose, some of those that are loving him now will again want him gone.
I'm just wondering why you're framing people that change their opinions of the job Orgeron is doing by how the team performs quarter to quarter, as if that's a positive example to follow.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:18 pm to Goldrush25
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I said I judge a coach by the season, not by how good a quarter they just had. We're 3 games in and because I'm not sucking him off quite yet my mind is made up?
that's what everyone does and no you don't need "to suck him off" but you and your ilk could at least stop being negative bitches at least until we actually lose a game.
Do you still think that we could have just hired pretty much any coach from anywhere and they would have been a better hire than Orgeron?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:21 pm to Goldrush25
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But you also know that it doesn't matter for some.
Why concern yourself with them? Pick your conviction and stick with it if that's your thing. I think it's kinda ridiculous to be that rigid but whatever works for you.
Yeah, there are those who change their opinion every play. I started avoiding the Scoreboard for that very reason. However I do think the staff has it going in the right direction, for now.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:21 pm to boxcar willie
O has done a very good job getting guys onto the field.
I like Any defense Aranda coaches
One point that doesn’t get talked aboutnis we 100% do not get Burrow if we hire Tom Herman. 0% chance CUM gives him permission to talk to him (and yes you need the school’s permission to talk to a grad transfer)
I like Any defense Aranda coaches
One point that doesn’t get talked aboutnis we 100% do not get Burrow if we hire Tom Herman. 0% chance CUM gives him permission to talk to him (and yes you need the school’s permission to talk to a grad transfer)
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:21 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Parrish and Finley are committed for 19' and 20' respectively.
no signed LOI, no real commmitment
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but just points back to Burrow,
no it doesn't b/c that's an entirely different convo
plus, Miles did get Mett. that doesn't excuse all the frickups elsewhere during Miles' time here
the shift in expectations is amazing to watch unfold. we hired O to be better than Miles. he's been worse, so far. go back to teh OP: i won't be "won over" until he surpasses Miles. if I though Miles was an overpaid mess for years, why would the same/lesser results by his replacement win me over?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:24 pm to boxcar willie
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but you and your ilk could at least stop being negative bitches at least until we actually lose a game.
if the issues are likely to cause that loss, why?
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Do you still think that we could have just hired pretty much any coach from anywhere and they would have been a better hire than Orgeron?
no.i don't think that Iota's HC would be better than Oregeron
do i think there was a solid group of 50+ who would have similar W/L record with future projection? yes. easily
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:26 pm to boxcar willie
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that's what everyone does and no you don't need "to suck him off" but you and your ilk could at least stop being negative bitches at least until we actually lose a game.
Where do you see people being negative?
I'd like you to show me where I've been negative since Saturday.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:26 pm to Laman1978
I liked "frick DEM"
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